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Re: [OT] RE: Swift [rant, etc]
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Re: [OT] RE: Swift [rant, etc]

  • Subject: Re: [OT] RE: Swift [rant, etc]
  • From: Tim McGaughy <email@hidden>
  • Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 14:27:36 -0500
Drama.Takes me back to high school.

You don't like Swift, don't use it. Simple. No drama. Also, this is the Applescript list, not the Bitch About Swift List. Let's try professional behavior for a few days, and see where that gets us.

On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 2:20 AM, Helmut Fuchs <email@hidden> wrote:
Hi, and sorry for putting a foot in this [OT] thread, but... XKCD 386 comes to mind.

On 24/06/2016 20:40, Jacopille, David wrote:
Take it down a notch, brother. You’re so argumentative. And verbose.
And not right.

 Well, to me this introduction doesn't look any less argumentative.

And also: has IS right.

I also get upset when people throw around arguments that don't feel like being fully digested - and make absolute statements on these arguments.

has also does make rather absolute statements, but I don't doubt his knowledge and experience a second and his rants are always a worthy read (a little less bitter would do at times for my tastes, but hey, I guess Cassandra also got a little upset at times).

The expressive and discretionary aspects of
Perl drive people nuts because they make it harder to read, not easier.

 I've read that so often, it seems to be folklore, but the presumptuous overbearance of this statement still hurts. For a start, there's a "some" missing before "people". Or does that count as verbose already?

Being able to read single letters and words doesn't mean being able to read. And verbosity is not equal to readability.

It's like accusing written Japanese of being unreadable, when one has barely touched its face and is only fluent in English...

In my experience many people claim "fluency" in a language or concept much too early and jump to conclusions far too quickly.

Java, for example, does make a dogma of its proclaimed readability. But being fluent in Perl and Java (and to some degree AppleScript) I can say this: Badly written Perl is bad, but I see much more absolutely incomprehensibly written Java at work. Having twelve pages of incomprehensible garbage split into ten files instead of having half a page in one file isn't an improvement IMO.

Expressiveness of a language makes it complex, but this complexity also makes it easier to express in a clean, concise and understandable way. You can shift complexity out of the language, but you can't ever get rid of it.

Best,

Helmut

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 >[OT] RE: Swift [rant, etc] (From: has <email@hidden>)
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 >Re: [OT] RE: Swift [rant, etc] (From: Helmut Fuchs <email@hidden>)

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