Re: Awful bugs in HS Mail
Re: Awful bugs in HS Mail
- Subject: Re: Awful bugs in HS Mail
- From: Jean-Christophe Helary <email@hidden>
- Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 11:04:37 +0900
I'm Ccing to the AS user list, just in case...
Now I'm checking a smartbox I just created.
Name "N", contents: "messages that match [message is unread]".
Only one condition, and "all" conditions to match, just in case.
Right now I have 2 unread messages on my system, but that box will show me a
third one, that's read (no blue dot) and that won't go away (even after the
squlite "vacuum").
I've opened Script Debugger and found the message, not in the smartbox (it
looks like smartboxes are not available in the explorer) but in the original
mailbox, and, of course, its "read status" is set to "true".
I have thousands of read mails on my machine but only this one, right now, that
pops up in that N box. Now, I've rebuild the original mailbox (a gmail pop box)
and the read mail is gone. Until another mail slips in...
What I wrote about smartboxes being unreliable earlier is that behavior.
What I had working in Sierra is the following:
1) I had a shortcut to set a flag
2) and I had a shortcut to go to the related box
The only way to assign UI shortcuts that I know if is by creating Mail specific
shortcuts in System Preference > Keyboard > Shortcuts > App Shortcuts.
The problem is that such shortcuts apply to menu items and that by default the
menu item to set a flag is identical to the one that goes to the flag box when
it's put in the Favorites bar (there does not seem to be a way to access a box
otherwise in the UI).
So my solution was to create smartboxes that would have the same contents as
the original Flag boxes, but a different name, and put them in the Favorites
bar to have easy access to them.
The first issue, that is the subject of this thread, is that such created
smartboxes are not reliable on my system since the HS upgrade. *And* behavior
is not consistent: the N box above does not contain *all* the unread mails,
just a seemingly random one, sometimes, similarly a Yellow flag smartbox would
display yellow flagged mails, but if I change the flag on one mail it would
sometimes still appear there (and in the proper box as well). Clearing the flag
would remove it temporarily but setting any other flag would put it again it
the original box. Like if it had some "memory" of it's original flag...
The second issue is that the shortcuts I had assigned to Go to Favorite Box
such and such would not work after a Mail relaunch. I'd have to manually access
the Go to Favorite Box menus, one by one, to "activate" the shortcut, and then
I could use the shortcuts. The weird thing is that shortcuts I had set to
change flags would work without problem.
The Go to shortcuts I had set were "Ctrl" based. like Ctrl+J for "jobs" etc.
And I noticed that Mail actually supports by default such shortcuts for actions
like "go to next mail", etc. in the mail listing. So maybe it was just a deep
conflict with the system, but then again in Sierra it worked fine.
So basically my whole mail based workflow is broken in HS and the workarounds
are really not practical (use AS to set flags and standard Cmd+n to access the
original flag boxes in Favorites).
Jean-Christophe
> On Oct 15, 2017, at 9:09, Macs R We <email@hidden> wrote:
>
> This may be voodoo, but consider vacuuming your mailbox:
>
> http://brettterpstra.com/2015/10/27/vacuuming-mail-dot-app-on-el-capitan/
>
> Note: the 10.10 in the code should really say 10.11 (see the page comments).
>
>
>> On Oct 14, 2017, at 4:53 PM, Jean-Christophe Helary
>> <email@hidden> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for testing. I'll try again with HS next upgrade.
>>
>> I'm using flags and flagged smartboxes a lot in my workflow, along with Mail
>> specific system shortcuts to set the flags and access the related
>> smartboxes. Not only did I find that flagged mails did not reliably change
>> of smartbox, but the access shortcuts I had set were not reliably available
>> in fullscreen mode. So I'm now working with applescript things to set flags
>> and the default Cmd+n to access the favorites box where I have my
>> smartboxes...
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