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Re: The sick power!
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Re: The sick power!


  • Subject: Re: The sick power!
  • From: "Donald S. Hall" <email@hidden>
  • Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 23:23:44 -0700

There was a related discussion about this in the Applescript Users Mailing
list about 3 weeks ago:


> At 10:11 AM -0800 11/13/01, Christopher Nebel wrote:
>> On Monday, November 12, 2001, at 09:54 PM, Gary Beberman wrote:
>>
>>> I am trying to make a script run automatically in OS X 10.1 using
>>> crontab. Whenever I do, the script starts. And I immediately get
>>> an error dialog telling me:
>>>
>>> "Application isn't running"
>>>
>>> The strange thing is that the application is running. Even this
>>> simple script trips
>>>
>>> tell application "Finder"
>>> open file "OS X:Users:Shared:somefile"
>>> end tell
>>>
>>> And the stranger thing is that I can run the script from within
>>> Terminal just fine. If, from the comand line, I call the script
>>> the same way I call it in crontab, it runs perfectly.
>>>
>>> What's different in crontab? What can I do about it to get my
>>> Applescripts to run?
>>
>> You're seeing a security "feature." It has to do with Mach
>> messages, which form the guts of Apple Events on Mac OS X. For
>> security reasons, processes in Mach are segregated into "process
>> groups", and a process in one group is not allowed to send messages
>> to a process in a different group. Because cron gets launched at
>> boot time, it's in root's process group, while every application
>> launched by your login (including the Finder) is in your process
>> group. Therefore, a script run by cron can't talk to any
>> application that you launched.
>>
>> There's something of a bug in AppleScript here, too -- at its level,
>> it can see the application, so it tells the Apple Event Manager to
>> send it a message, and you get a surprising error.
>>

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> Ack, at 12/7/01, Ondra Cada said:
>
>> Rosyna,
>>
>>>>>>>> Rosyna (R) wrote at Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:29:52 -0700:
>> R> You bring an interesting point up. However, I am not sure how'd you
>> R> exploit it through applescript. AppleScript can only do what the
>> R> application can do through its GUI. So you have no real power that
>> R> the GUI doesn't have.
>>
>> Well, any app which can save can be pretty disastrous through its
>> GUI, can't it?
>>
>> R> Sending this to an instance of BBEdit running as root causes
>> R> LaunchCFMApp to crash:
>>
>> I presume it works well if BBEdit runs non-root, right?
>
> Hmm, no it doesn't. So this is inconclusive. However, making an
> application launch through a root application does not work either:
>
> tell application "NetInfo Manager"
> set blah to path to application "Terminal"
> set blah to blah & "Contents:MacOS:Terminal"
> tell application blah
> --activate
> end tell
> end tell
> display dialog (blah as string)


--
Donald S. Hall, Ph.D.
Apps & More Software Design, Inc.
http://www.theboss.net/appsmore
email@hidden


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