Re: Obj-C vs Java
Re: Obj-C vs Java
- Subject: Re: Obj-C vs Java
- From: Tyler LaGrange <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:12:09 -0400
I had never heard of these historic Lighthouse applications before - but
I was interested - so I searched on Excite. According to this article I
found:
http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-03-1998/jw-03-lighthouse.html
- it really doesn't mention that they ever intended to make desktop apps
out of these NextStep Applications. I didn't really look that hard -
but maybe somebody can elaborate for me on where they wasted all kinds
of time porting these and spent a ton of money and failed.
Seems that Sun wanted Lighthouse for NEO or something - which was
pre-Java. They bought the company for it's bright engineers and ended up
using them help further develop what we know today as Java. At this
time (1996) - I think it was pre-Java 1.1 - which is hardly the same as
todays JDK 1.3. I'd definately agree that developing an application on
anything before JDK 1.1 would be tricky. Most systems use a newer
version - including OSX.
It seems to me that Forte is a Java Desktop Application that is bringing
in money to Sun. There are others out there:
http://www.jars.com/classes/jediSearch.cgi?string=NOTEXT&matchcase=NO&names=
YES&keywords=YES&descriptions=YES&authorid=NOID&lastname=NONAME&age=120&start=
NODATE&end=NODATE&maxhits=100&type=1&category=ALL&language=ALL&source=YES&
nosource=YES&wholeword=YES
That is a list of a bunch of Java applications submitted to that site in
the past 120 days. I see some MP3 players - Some Chat programs - a
bunch of XML utilities - graphing programs - a crystal reports
generator - and so on and so on and so on... I'd be willing to bet that
some of those people make some money off of developing Java Desktop
applications.
So - when the guy asks for differences between developing Cocoa apps in
Java vs. developing Cocoa apps in Obj-C - it seems inappropriate and
unintelligent to make blanket statements about how Java is not an
appropriate desktop solution and that many companies have lost money
using it. That's all I was saying.
And for those of you who for some reason enjoy bashing Java and want to
keep going - please email me privately. I am going on vacation though
for about 10 days though - so don't expect anything back too soon...
Until then - Rock on...
Tyler
On Monday, July 23, 2001, at 10:20 PM, Scott Anguish wrote:
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On Monday, July 23, 2001, at 09:11 PM, Tyler LaGrange wrote:
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> The great part is you can develop great Cocoa apps with either one.
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While there may be good points for both languages, you'd be hard
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pressed to find anything significant written in Cocoa using Java.
It's still pretty new. give it time...
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> Unfortunately it also includes a lot of unintelligent comments like
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> the ones below. You just have to filter those out.
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Just because you disagree with Peter's comments, doesn't mean that
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he is wrong.
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Sun has dumped huge quantities of money trying to make useable
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Java desktop apps (the lighthouse suite), yet hasn't been able to
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accomplish it.