Re: Fear
Re: Fear
- Subject: Re: Fear
- From: Brian Howard <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 16:25:28 -0400
Just to be clear on a couple of points: I read the first half of the
"Art and Science of C" in January of this year, twice, getting ready for
my new G4. I did not do any of the exercises because I did not own a
compiler and didn't want to waste money when I knew I'd be getting a
compiler from Apple with the Monthly mailings I spent $200 for. Then
after two lemon G4's were replaced and it looked like I could finally
get started, I find out I don't get the developer tools CD for my measly
$200. After fighting with Apple over this for a week, they finally send
OS X "Release Candidate" and the tools CD, saying that they were making
an exception just for me. A few days later it was announced any Tom,
Dick, or Harriet buying OS X would get the tools for free. Yes, I have
a bit of an attitude towards Apple. Then I hear about the O'Reilly book
and think, hot damn, I'll chill out and get all set up for that. Give
me a chance to re-read "Object-Oriented Programming and the Objective-C
Language," download the 2700+ pages of class docs and get started
there, et cetera. Finally, here comes the long-awaited book. Damnit,
the #@%*&ing blurb on the back cover of "Learning Cocoa" says, and I
quote:
"Extensive programming experience is not required to complete the
examples in this book, though some experience with the C programming
language is helpful. "
I figured I had "some experience." Sorry you don't agree, but there it
is. This list is run by Apple, and until THEY ask me to leave, I will
avail myself of it. I know that you are one of the High Gurus of Cocoa,
and I would rather not piss you off, but I will not be bullied. My own
feeling is that you are so removed from the perils of us beginners that
you can no longer feel our pain. I say Apple could make a much better
effort with documentation than they are doing now, and yes I know just
how hard good technical writing is having done a little of it myself.
If nothing else Apple should hire a librarian who know something about
organizing interrelated documents.
On Wednesday, June 6, 2001, at 03:26 PM, Scott Anguish wrote:
On Tuesday, June 5, 2001, at 02:27 PM, Brian Howard wrote:
Thanks to John, Fritz, and Jeff for bothering to answer my simple
question. And others who have not been posted yet! But it was just
what I feared: I'm being advised to go away and don't come back until
I'm up to speed with C.
I don't think that is the message that you should be taking away
from this.
Rather that there are issues that are not specific to Cocoa and as
a result shouldn't be expected to be covered in a Cocoa only book.
Well, I looked in the 700 page book on C programming I have before I
posted the question.
Aside from WHAT argv/argc had in them, everything else you posted
there is basic C and should have been covered in the 700 page book on
C. Or, in a 100 page terse book.
Apparently it is as incomplete as the "Learning Cocoa" book is.
There you go again.
Damnit, I hate wasting people's time. Maybe the idea bandied about a
few days ago about a new list for RANK BEGINNERS is a good idea.
It wouldn't have helped. It won't magically impart the knowledge
to you, you'd still need to read it.
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