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Re: Learning Cocoa


  • Subject: Re: Learning Cocoa
  • From: Michael Rogers <email@hidden>
  • Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 21:25:43 -0500

On Thursday, May 31, 2001, at 01:13 PM, email@hidden wrote:

Any other "Newbies" here who are as disappointed with the long-awaited "Learning Cocoa" book from O'Reilly as I am? Or not so new, for that matter. What I've seen so far--Chapter One--is little more than a "Reader's Digest" version of "Object-Oriented Programming and the Objective-C Language." Indeed, this shortened version is nothing but sales hype, on-and-on about how great Cocoa is. HELLO, APPLE: I went into debt to buy a G4, and spent hundreds more for books and ADC mailings-- just to do Cocoa. More to the point: I bought THIS bloody book, so why the hell are you still trying to sell it to me? I understand the power of Cocoa, I'm already a BIG fan. Now, how the #@$%*# do I go about really learning how to use it? Oh, wait, now I see the ever-popular "Hello World" and "Currency Converter" coming up fast. Sorry, been there, done that. I hope to hell the second half has something truly valuable in it, or this book is going to have to be renamed "Learning Cocoa, NOT".

But *all* books trying to get people to switch paradigms/languages/whatever start off with the introductory marketing chapter. Look at the Java Tutorial, for instance: Sun doesn't tone down its enthusiasm, why should Apple? As far as repeating "Hello World" and "Currency Converter", Learning Cocoa's target audience clearly includes those who haven't any Objective-C experience, and for whom this is therefore all brand new. Hello World is only 5-6 pages, anyway, and provides an introduction to PB and IB. They'd be crazy to omit that, IMHO, because that's what makes Cocoa so much fun!

The second half most definitely has something valuable in it. I'm up to chapter 10 and the examples are uniformly well done -- just the right length, clearly coded and annotated.

I *do* wish that there was more in the book -- but perhaps "Mastering Cocoa" is in the works, and here's hoping that other authors are firing up their word processors as we speak. In the meantime, between this book, the on-line API reference, and most importantly the other people on this list, I'm finding the learning curve for Cocoa much shallower than, say, PowerPlant. Once I get memory management figured out, I'll be home free...

Just my $0.0135 (that's C$0.02, regettably :-)

Michael
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Dr. Michael P. Rogers
Mathematics & Computer Science, Millikin University
email@hidden
http://math.millikin.edu/mprogers
217-424-6327(W) 309-828-8655 (H) 309-825-6454(C)


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