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Re: Objective-C (Possibly OT)
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Re: Objective-C (Possibly OT)


  • Subject: Re: Objective-C (Possibly OT)
  • From: "Craig S. Cottingham" <email@hidden>
  • Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:57:41 -0600

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On Monday, January 14, 2002, at 02:14 , Steve Klingsporn wrote:

On Monday, January 14, 2002, at 08:59 , Smith, Bradley wrote:

Cool. By knowing an object's class will I not already know whether it
responds to copy?

Not necessarily. Maybe it's a class you've never heard of. Maybe
it's a class in a plugin that was written by some third party
who didn't have access to your source code.

This is kind of a weak defense for an utterly non-standard and
not widely used programming language.

I never said it was a defense of Objective-C; I merely answered his question.

Maybe if we hold our breath, new and exciting types of apps
will suddenly 'evolve' and 'discover themselves?' ;o)

All I can suggest in response is to note that the GPG signature on this email was made possible by GPGMail (<http://www.sente.ch/software/GPGMail/index.html>), whose author, Stiphane Corthisy, had no access to the source code in Apple's Mail.app, and yet still managed to add support for GnuPG to Mail.app, including toolbar buttons and a pane in the latter's Preferences panel. I suspect that this feat would have been difficult if not impossible using C++.

Looking at the two choices, Carbon (yuck!), and Cocoa (interesting
but relevant?) is depressing to me.

Cocoa is extremely relevant, not only to Apple and Mac OS X, but especially to a mailing list called "Cocoa-Dev".

I'm not saying Objective-C isn't a superior language to C++;
I'm sure it is, and have read over "Learning Cocoa" and played
with some of the examples and what-not... Doesn't matter if the
skill is not a portable or relevant one, though.

I'm sure that the members of this list who use Objective-C on a daily basis for their livelihoods -- not to mention the many programmers at Apple working on Mac OS X, Cocoa, and related software -- will be happy to know that you've decided that their skills don't "matter".

If you're interested in "portability" or "relevance", and your definition of these terms doesn't include Cocoa, then I'd suggest that this mailing list is not appropriate for you.

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Craig S. Cottingham
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