CSDF [was Re: CADO]
CSDF [was Re: CADO]
- Subject: CSDF [was Re: CADO]
- From: Brent Gulanowski <email@hidden>
- Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 18:13:53 -0500
On Saturday, March 23, 2002, at 05:22 PM, Richard Schroedel wrote:
May I suggest...
Instead we form an Apple Developers Association, I mean a real one. One
run by the developers and not Apple.
As a group we would have real clout. The way things are now, we each deal
with Apple as an individual or individual company. This makes it easy for
Apple to dismiss our opinions as unimportant.
It looks like Matthew Lehrian wants to make a starter website, using Oleg
Svirgstin's name of Cocoa Software Developers Foundation. It might take a
certain critical mass before we could have something which might be able
to represent Cocoa developers at large, but who knows?
I suggest we think of one or two particular problem issues that we feel
that Apple is not addressing. However, we have to remember that Apple is
like the Godfather; we have to work with them, not against them. The idea
would be to basically form a kind of lobby group, I guess, to convince
them to dedicate resources in areas that the developer community believes
are being critically overlooked.
While still a far cry from perfect, the documentation is coming along. I
don't recommend over-emphasizing that.
There might be some room to look at arguing for bringing back Cocoa/Yellow
Box for Windows. It is quite maddening that they don't at least have a
core Cocoa for Windows, seeing as how it was previously available for
Windows. All that code is somewhere. I, too, was wooed away (in spirit)
from the Blue Box with the promises of cross-platform Yellow Box
development.
If we want to address public vs. secret CF APIs, we'd want to target one
or two particular features, and lobby hard that developers (and hence,
customers and thus Apple) would benefit greatly by putting a Cocoa front
end on them and publishing them.
The key area of argument still has to be the failure of Apple to get the
bigger companies to make commitments to Cocoa. I've said something like
this in the past: technologies live or die based on adoption. First Apple
has to make the technologies attractive, and the only yardstick is general
adoption. Then the big players have to adopt. (Or is it the other way
'round? Chicken/egg problem.)
It would be nice to have a head count of existing and new Cocoa developers.
Matt, is there a way to let people add their name to a list on the site?
Would also assess grassroots attitude to this proposed organization. Smart
asses can go elsewhere.
Cheers,
Brent
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