Re: Flame retardant
Re: Flame retardant
- Subject: Re: Flame retardant
- From: zauhar <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 17:06:22 -0400
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Glen makes nice points here. I hope that people on this list will read
them with an open mind. Compare the attitude that Glen exhibits toward
newcomers - to extend a helping hand, to try to see things through the
eyes of another person - with that displayed by "the other side" in this
discussion, typified by the post from Erik Buck yesterday. The other
side sees itself poised on top of the mountain, scrutinizing the
newcomers climbing from below, and judging whether or not they are
worthy to be thrown a rope. That's bullshit.
I would advise the "other side" that they may be able to get away with
this attitude on the internet, but it don't work in real life. Don't try
it with your friends (assuming you have any), your boss, your spouse, or
the guy on the next bar stool.
Randy
On Wednesday, May 22, 2002, at 02:49 PM, email@hidden wrote:
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Nathan Zamecnik wrote:
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|I think a lot of people, when critisizing beginers is that they
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don't always
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|have Cocoa questions but programming questions that are rather
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|elementary....this is not a list for Objective-C exactally
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Actually, it *is* for Objective-C "exactally". If you examine the list
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of Apple mailing lists (at
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http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/), you'll see that, athough
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there is a java-dev list and a fortran-dev list, there is no
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"objectivec-dev" list. Cocoa and Objective-C are "deeply intertwingled"
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(to steal a phrase from Ted Nelson), at least as they relate to OS X.
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They are so "intertwingled", in fact, that one simply cannot use
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Objective-C on OS X without also using Cocoa. (As but one example: how
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often are classes declared that are *not* a subclass of NSObject? Yet
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NSObject is not part of the Objective-C language, but of the Cocoa
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framework.) Hence, there is no clear line between Objective-C and
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Cocoa, and questions about Objective-C are entirely appropriate for
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this list.
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(etc etc)
Randy J. Zauhar, PhD
Assoc. Prof. of Biochemistry
Director, Graduate Program in Bioinformatics
Dept. of Chemistry & Biochemistry
University of the Sciences in Philadelphia
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