Re: Flame retardant
Re: Flame retardant
- Subject: Re: Flame retardant
- From: Chuq Von Rospach <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 23:27:42 -0700
On 5/23/02 10:47 PM, "Andy Lee" <email@hidden> wrote:
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Maybe
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there should be a "cocoa-dev-expert" list?
Lists like that almost never work. First, many newbies decide up front that
their question is going to need an expert, so they head right for the
-expert list. And secondarily, cloistering the two groups reduces access to
the newbie group to the people they most need access to, experts with the
information they need to get. All you really do is set up a battlefield for
fights over what kind of content is really "expert" and therefore allowed in
the expert group, and it tends to foster exclusionary and elitist attitudes.
Exactly the things I'm trying to make sure don't show up around here.
I find this kind of split is invariably a disaster.
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Yes. You absolutely should, and so should anybody else. Asking a
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question that Erik Barzeski has seen 200 times is not in itself list
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abuse.
And it shouldn't be treated as such -- but it doesn't mean Erik has an
obligation to answer it 200 times. When you get sick and tired of answering
something, shut up. Let someone else answer it for a while... That's why we
have lots of people here willing to take turns answering things.
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Sarcasm aside, I agree the Cocoa documentation is extremely helpful
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once you know your way around, especially if you get tools like
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MTLibrarian <http://www.montagetech.com/> and Cocoa Browser
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<http://homepage.mac.com/hoshi_takanori/cocoa-browser/>.
Key phrase being "once you know your way around". Hence my flailing
rhetorics about teaching people to be fishermen, not just stuffing fish in
their mouths to shut them up... A little investment up front reduces a lot
of repeated questions later.... Both because users are taught how to find
answers for themselves, and because you start growing the pool of users able
and willing to answer questions. If you never teach them how to find
answers, they can never join that pool of answerers. They only know to keep
asking.
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Personally, I'm skeptical when someone says they're being harsh for
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my own good. I see the "tough" part; I just don't see the "love"
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part.
So am I. If I want harsh, I'll ask for it. Please don't scream in my face
without permission. This ain't boot camp, and you ain't the drill
seargent...
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