OT Discussions [Was: Re: Cocoa WebObjects]
OT Discussions [Was: Re: Cocoa WebObjects]
- Subject: OT Discussions [Was: Re: Cocoa WebObjects]
- From: Georg Tuparev <email@hidden>
- Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:40:39 +0100
Will add my Euro 0.02 to several OT discussions.
Being NeXT/WebObjects developer for over 12 years, I would be probably
the last person on this list to see Objective-C go away. But I do not
either agree that everything Apple is doing is wrong. I think most of
the fears and criticism comes of our distrust to Apple's political
decisions - something I share in large extend with other old-timers
here. I do also not agree with Apple's priorities... but this is yet
another OT.
1. ObjC EOF
Although I will love to see ObjC version of EOF re-introduced, Apple is
taking some steps in the right direction pushing WebServices. Now with
WebObjects 5.2 it seams that I will need it even less. Currently we are
working on a large robotic telescope project with both Web and Cocoa
interfaces, and we definitely benefit from this new developments.
Instead of using EOF directly, our Cocoa (ObjC) application is using
SOAP based communication to several web services and the same services
are used by the portal web/html based application. This leads to very
elegant architecture, with good performance, and opens unexpected
market opportunities. Still, the SOAP support for Cocoa is bad, and for
admin-like applications I would prefer native Cocoa/ObjC/EOF
combination instead of Direct2Web/Java...
One market segment that will dramatically benefit by EOF/ObjC is small
business - application like CRM, document management and accounting.
2. ObjC-Java combined VM
Now those who know me will be very surprised to know I am playing
(purely academic interest) with such a beast for a while. Done in the
right way (tm) it could bring huge benefits. But I do not believe Apple
is able to do it in a good way. Politics, lack of good people,
deadlines, and absurd marketing will most certainly do more damage than
benefits. Done it wrong this could lead to complete disaster for Apple
because key markets will turn away (media, edu, and enterprise). I do
not believe applications like PhotoShop, Word, etc are ready to move
to VM, nor I would even consider for a second to do my molecular
dynamics, or data acquisition using Mickey Mouse technology. Not to
mention that most of the available libraries in these fields are
written in C-like languages ...
gt
On Sunday, Nov 17, 2002, at 05:30 Europe/Amsterdam, King Chung Huang
wrote:
I definitely want EOF for Objective-C. I've done quite a bit of
WebObjects
programming lately and I love the technology. At WWDC 2002, one of the
slogans was "Come for the Java, Stay for the Cocoa". Well, I came to
WebObjects because of the Java, but now I want to stay for the Cocoa!
I've
recently started programming in Cocoa/Objective-C and I'd love to have
access to EOF for my Cocoa/ObjC apps.
[...]
-- georg --
"More Trees, less Bushes!"
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