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OT Discussions [Was: Re: Cocoa WebObjects]
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OT Discussions [Was: Re: Cocoa WebObjects]


  • Subject: OT Discussions [Was: Re: Cocoa WebObjects]
  • From: Georg Tuparev <email@hidden>
  • Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:40:39 +0100

Will add my Euro 0.02 to several OT discussions.

Being NeXT/WebObjects developer for over 12 years, I would be probably the last person on this list to see Objective-C go away. But I do not either agree that everything Apple is doing is wrong. I think most of the fears and criticism comes of our distrust to Apple's political decisions - something I share in large extend with other old-timers here. I do also not agree with Apple's priorities... but this is yet another OT.

1. ObjC EOF
Although I will love to see ObjC version of EOF re-introduced, Apple is taking some steps in the right direction pushing WebServices. Now with WebObjects 5.2 it seams that I will need it even less. Currently we are working on a large robotic telescope project with both Web and Cocoa interfaces, and we definitely benefit from this new developments. Instead of using EOF directly, our Cocoa (ObjC) application is using SOAP based communication to several web services and the same services are used by the portal web/html based application. This leads to very elegant architecture, with good performance, and opens unexpected market opportunities. Still, the SOAP support for Cocoa is bad, and for admin-like applications I would prefer native Cocoa/ObjC/EOF combination instead of Direct2Web/Java...
One market segment that will dramatically benefit by EOF/ObjC is small business - application like CRM, document management and accounting.

2. ObjC-Java combined VM
Now those who know me will be very surprised to know I am playing (purely academic interest) with such a beast for a while. Done in the right way (tm) it could bring huge benefits. But I do not believe Apple is able to do it in a good way. Politics, lack of good people, deadlines, and absurd marketing will most certainly do more damage than benefits. Done it wrong this could lead to complete disaster for Apple because key markets will turn away (media, edu, and enterprise). I do not believe applications like PhotoShop, Word, etc are ready to move to VM, nor I would even consider for a second to do my molecular dynamics, or data acquisition using Mickey Mouse technology. Not to mention that most of the available libraries in these fields are written in C-like languages ...

gt

On Sunday, Nov 17, 2002, at 05:30 Europe/Amsterdam, King Chung Huang wrote:

I definitely want EOF for Objective-C. I've done quite a bit of WebObjects
programming lately and I love the technology. At WWDC 2002, one of the
slogans was "Come for the Java, Stay for the Cocoa". Well, I came to
WebObjects because of the Java, but now I want to stay for the Cocoa! I've
recently started programming in Cocoa/Objective-C and I'd love to have
access to EOF for my Cocoa/ObjC apps.
[...]


-- georg --

"More Trees, less Bushes!"
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