Re: Keyboard shortcuts for views in toolbar items
Re: Keyboard shortcuts for views in toolbar items
- Subject: Re: Keyboard shortcuts for views in toolbar items
- From: j o a r <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:57:47 +0200
On Tuesday, Oct 15, 2002, at 18:04 Europe/Stockholm, Sherm Pendley
wrote:
Neither - it's common sense. How's a blind user supposed to access a
function that can only be used from the toolbar?
A blind user? Via "Full keyboard access" presumably, what's the
difference between items in a toolbar and items in the menu bar? Not
that it matters much, becuase blind people couldn't use our application
in any case for so many other reasons.
Toolbars are a convenience, they should never be a requirement.
They're simply the mouse-based equivalent of keyboard shortcuts.
Is that also true of the address field in a web browser window? What is
your menu item equivalent for that? I know that most web browsers have
some sort of panel to use as a complement but who uses that? Do you
think that you shouldn't be allowed to use the arrow keys to navigate
the history menu of that NSComboBox?
How many _types_ of windows do you find in your average application?
Two? In this scenario it's not difficult to have a 1 : 1 relationship
between toolbar items and menu items.
Now, our application is not your average application. It's a very,
very, large enterprise application and we have at least 30 - 40
different types of windows. Not all of them have toolbars, and not all
of them have unique toolbar items, but it still adds up. I agree with
you in that toolbar items should generally not be the only way to
access some specific piece of functionality but even so, I'm not sure I
can justify to have all that functionality present in the menubar at
all times either.
But to conclude - based on your feedback (thanx list!) I think that I
might move most of this functionality from the toolbar item to the
window controller, make the toolbar item less intelligent and add menu
items as a complement. I will still file this as a bug to Apple though,
I don't see why this shouldn't be possible for the few freak cases
where it would be useful.
Thanx,
j o a r
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