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Re: Request for comments: archive for mailing lists


  • Subject: Re: Request for comments: archive for mailing lists
  • From: Bertrand Mansion <email@hidden>
  • Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:09:03 +0200

<email@hidden> wrote :

>
> On Sunday, September 22, 2002, at 02:08 PM, Bertrand Mansion wrote:
>> Now, if you don't want cocoa.mamasam.com to archive your mailing-list
>> publicly, just let me know, give me one day or two and it's off. But I
>> think
>> this won't make any good to any of us.
>
> We don't have any problem with you archiving our lists at all --
> please feel free :)

Thank you for that. :)

> Your original message just didn't indicate that the true purpose
> wasn't to archive the messages, but to archive them in a more useful
> format. Thus, I just wanted to point out that the stated purpose of
> your message was unnecessary.

English is not my mother tongue. Sorry if I didn't make myself clear.

> If you can provide a better interface, then I think that it will be a
> great resource for the community (especially, as <email@hidden>
> pointed out, being able to search these lists at the same time will be
> a new feature provided that I hadn't though of).
>
> But, I would point out that your search engine is not very good.
> It's fast, but it isn't doing stemming. For example, if you search on
> 'NSEvent keypad', it does not find a message of a couple days ago (one
> that I found very interesting) since the subject had 'NSEvents' (not
> the plural). The Apple search engine work here -- it performs correct
> stemming and returns the test message for which I was looking.

> So, rather than spend more time on UI, or whatever, I'd suggest
> looking for a search engine that does correct stemming so that users
> get useful results instead of blithely doing searches that return
> nothing.

Actually, we use the same search engine: htdig. I think Omnigroup uses htdig
too. It is just a configuration parameter that says if you want to have
stemming or not. So it's not the search engine that is bad, it is the
settings that are different.

I had stemming on some weeks ago but this takes more resources than a
standard boolean query. Anyway, I am turning it on again because I added
more RAM to the server recently. I hope this won't slow down the engine too
much. Thanks for noticing it and letting me know.

You can try your query again now, it works.

For the new site, I will use another search engine, Mnogosearch. It's
Russian and it supports phrases, stemming, categories, and so on. I tried
Lucene too but it's not good to index web pages, even if it's an excellent
personal search engine.

> (To be fair, out archive search engine also failed a similar test,
> but it looks like the actual indexer might be busted since it wouldn't
> return any results either the stemmed or unstemmed query... have to go
> check that out :).

I think you have to use the '*' wildcard on your search engine to make it
work with stemming. Anyway, this was a COCOADEV message, so it's normal you
don't find it on your list archives. See how useful it is to have both in
the same place ;-)

Bertrand Mansion
Mamasam
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