Re: Request for comments: archive for mailing lists
Re: Request for comments: archive for mailing lists
- Subject: Re: Request for comments: archive for mailing lists
- From: Bertrand Mansion <email@hidden>
- Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:09:03 +0200
<email@hidden> wrote :
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On Sunday, September 22, 2002, at 02:08 PM, Bertrand Mansion wrote:
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> Now, if you don't want cocoa.mamasam.com to archive your mailing-list
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> publicly, just let me know, give me one day or two and it's off. But I
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> think
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> this won't make any good to any of us.
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We don't have any problem with you archiving our lists at all --
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please feel free :)
Thank you for that. :)
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Your original message just didn't indicate that the true purpose
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wasn't to archive the messages, but to archive them in a more useful
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format. Thus, I just wanted to point out that the stated purpose of
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your message was unnecessary.
English is not my mother tongue. Sorry if I didn't make myself clear.
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If you can provide a better interface, then I think that it will be a
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great resource for the community (especially, as <email@hidden>
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pointed out, being able to search these lists at the same time will be
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a new feature provided that I hadn't though of).
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But, I would point out that your search engine is not very good.
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It's fast, but it isn't doing stemming. For example, if you search on
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'NSEvent keypad', it does not find a message of a couple days ago (one
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that I found very interesting) since the subject had 'NSEvents' (not
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the plural). The Apple search engine work here -- it performs correct
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stemming and returns the test message for which I was looking.
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So, rather than spend more time on UI, or whatever, I'd suggest
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looking for a search engine that does correct stemming so that users
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get useful results instead of blithely doing searches that return
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nothing.
Actually, we use the same search engine: htdig. I think Omnigroup uses htdig
too. It is just a configuration parameter that says if you want to have
stemming or not. So it's not the search engine that is bad, it is the
settings that are different.
I had stemming on some weeks ago but this takes more resources than a
standard boolean query. Anyway, I am turning it on again because I added
more RAM to the server recently. I hope this won't slow down the engine too
much. Thanks for noticing it and letting me know.
You can try your query again now, it works.
For the new site, I will use another search engine, Mnogosearch. It's
Russian and it supports phrases, stemming, categories, and so on. I tried
Lucene too but it's not good to index web pages, even if it's an excellent
personal search engine.
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(To be fair, out archive search engine also failed a similar test,
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but it looks like the actual indexer might be busted since it wouldn't
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return any results either the stemmed or unstemmed query... have to go
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check that out :).
I think you have to use the '*' wildcard on your search engine to make it
work with stemming. Anyway, this was a COCOADEV message, so it's normal you
don't find it on your list archives. See how useful it is to have both in
the same place ;-)
Bertrand Mansion
Mamasam
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