Re: cocoa-dev digest, Vol 2 #2845 - 15 msgs
Re: cocoa-dev digest, Vol 2 #2845 - 15 msgs
- Subject: Re: cocoa-dev digest, Vol 2 #2845 - 15 msgs
- From: Brian Donofrio <email@hidden>
- Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:10:20 -0700
Dear James,
I would just like to add that is important to check each books
web site for errors & errata. They all have a lot of errors.
My number 1 choice has a slew, but thats just part of
programming. Who ever proof reads these books needs
a book debugger there are some real whoppers. I suggest
that you keep moving don't get stuck and give up because
something may not look right or work right. Eventually you
get the big picture. What one author does not explain well
another does.
Best of Luck
Brian Donofrio
Message: 2
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 01:16:35 +1000
From: Phill Kelley <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Help me, which book I should buy to learn Cocoa??
To: James Ludtke <email@hidden>
Cc: email@hidden
At 09:55 -0400 25/08/2003, James Ludtke wrote:
I would suggest buying them all, and even then your going to have to
figure
allot of out by yourself especially since most of them were out
out of date before they hit the presses. This is what's on my
bookshelf.
In order of importance or value in my newbie opinion:
1. "Building Cocoa Applications A step by step guide" by Garfinkel &
Mahoney O'Reilly ADC recommended.
2. " Cocoa IN A Nutshell" Oreilly ADC recommended.
3. " learning Cocoa" Oreily ADC..
4. " Inside Cocoa Object-Oriented Programming and the Objective-C
Language ADC Developer connection
5. "Cocoa programming for Mac OS X" by Hillegass
6. "Cocoa programming" by Anguish Buck Yacktman
7. "Cocoa Recipes for Mac OSX The Vermont Recipes" by Cheeseman
8. "Mac OSX Advanced Development techniques" by Zobkiw
I like those books in that order. Some are pretty weak but it's the
best we got.
My order of preference for those books is the same as yours. During
the last couple of month, whenever I had searched for help, he most
expensive and biggest book, the one by Yackman, never yielded an
answer.
Raiyan, do not spend money on that book.
I don't want to start a flame war or anything, and I don't have any
connection with Messrs Anguish, Buck and Yacktman (ABY), but I have
found
their book to be *extremely* good value and have absolutely no problem
in
recommending it.
I have some of the other books in the above list but I find ABY &
Hillegass
to be the most useful and usually have one or the other open on my
desk. I
tend to read those books in conjunction with the online help, plus
study
one or more examples from the Developer Tools/Developer web site,
and/or
the examples that go with ABY (which are an exceptionally useful
resource
in their own right).
And I back all of that up with lots of browsing through mamasam.
Between all those resources, I reckon you actually have to work pretty
hard
to NOT be able to answer most questions for yourself.
However, I think the general problem for the "newbie" is that Cocoa
represents a pretty steep learning curve. So, if you expect to find one
book that has all the answers, I reckon you're doomed before you start.
Conversely, if you can accept that there will be times when you want
tear
your hair out and smash things with hammers because nothing seems to
make
sense, I'd suggest starting with Garfinkel & Mahoney to get a feel for
the
tools and the mechanics of building a Cocoa application, then read
Hillegass cover-to-cover (maybe even twice) to get a good grounding in
some
of the core theory. Somewhere in there, you'll have the "ahah"
experience.
Once you've had the "ahah", ABY will come into its own.
Regards, PK
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