Re: CoreFoundation on Win32
Re: CoreFoundation on Win32
- Subject: Re: CoreFoundation on Win32
- From: Alex Perez <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:48:45 -0800 (PST)
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Andy Satori wrote:
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I'm familiar with GnuStep, but I don't find it a workable solution on
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Win32 because of it's dependancies on Cygwin and Ming/W. In addition,
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at this point Gorm and Project Center aren't up to enterprise
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development levels.
Well, Cygwin is a dependency, but it's also a single DLL for the purposes
of distribution. If you look at Mingw as a "dependency", yoU (seriously)
don't understand what Mingw is all about. Minge builds NATIVE MS C runtime
binaries, unlike Cygwin. it was specifically designed to eliminate cygwin
as a dependency. It's primarily a bunch of header files. Once your app is
compiled, there are *NO* dependencies. That's the whole point of Mingw32
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All of this is compounded by the fact that it takes a Unix person to
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install and use the environment on any of the supported platforms.
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That means that the run-time is beyond the scope of most Mac or Windows
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users. Until these problems are solved, GnuStep is not a viable
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solution.
There's a nifty windows installer proof-of-concept for GNUstep/win32,
which is a great way to demonstrate that the above statement is quite
misguided, at best.
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Not to be offensive, but I'm getting tired about hearing about GnuStep,
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as it's been around for at least 6 years, and still isn't up to a 1.0
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status, I'm not getting my hopes up.
*shrug* If you're myopic to the degree that you can't get over the fact
that a version number happens to not be greater than 1.0, you've got other
issues. I use GNUstep daily, and it's quite usable. Most of the people who
badmouth GNUstep haven't used it (A) at all or (B) recently. (within the
last 6 months to one year)
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Andy
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On Dec 17, 2003, at 1:05 PM, Alex Perez wrote:
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>> The other day I was doing something an XCode popped up with
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>> NSWindows95OperatingSystem in it's code completion. It took a minute
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>> to register and another day for the old OpenStep for Windows / Yellow
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>> Box projects to return to my conscious mind to grasp the
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>> insignificance. For a few hours there I was genuinely excited by the
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>> prospect of writing Windows code in Objective C. Then reality set in
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>> and it was back to the drudgery of MFC, ATL and the joy of
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>> Systems.Windows.Forms.
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> GNUstep allows you to write both ObjC tools and GUI Apps under
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> Microsoft
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> Windows. GNUstep's Foundation is quite stable under Windows. The
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> AppKit is
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> another story, however, but Fred Keifer is currently workin on fixing a
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> number of the issues that remain. The day will come, probably within a
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> year, where what YellowBox was will exist again in a different form,
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> written by different people, but it will effectively be the same. I
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> encourage *anyone* who is interested in porting ObjC GUI apps to Win32
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> to
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> help out with the GNUstep win32 backend. The more people who help out,
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> the
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> faster this will be a reality.
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> Alex Perez
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