Re: Where to rant? Re: [OT] Re: EOF undead?
Re: Where to rant? Re: [OT] Re: EOF undead?
- Subject: Re: Where to rant? Re: [OT] Re: EOF undead?
- From: "Alastair J.Houghton" <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 23:26:00 +0100
On Thursday, July 3, 2003, at 07:05 pm, Jim Rankin wrote:
On Thursday, July 3, 2003, at 09:41 AM, Alastair J.Houghton wrote:
As for the other threads, *yes*, it is interesting to talk about why
Qt may or may not be "better" in some sense than Cocoa, or about
whether or not some article in the Bangkok Post is barking up the
wrong tree. But they are not about Cocoa *development* and are
therefore off-topic. Similarly for the WWDC NDAs, and for the
general discussion of whether dynamic or static typing is best.
Serious question: what's the best list for dev rants?
Good question... perhaps there should be a Cocoa-rant list ;-> I can't
see a suitable list on Apple's site, although there are newsgroups
where some of the recent threads might have been more appropriate. For
example, comp.sys.mac.programmer.misc is a suitable place to chat about
general Mac programming (e.g. for things like the Qt vs. Cocoa
discussion), whilst comp.lang.objective-c and comp.lang.c might be
better places to discuss the relative merits of dynamic vs. static
typing from a language perspective and C coding style issues
respectively.
I was going to check Omni's list of lists; I think they have a general
discussion list that would be suitable for a lot of this traffic, but
unfortunately I can't seem to get to their site at the moment.
Also, of the topics you list, dynamic vs. static typing might be very
relevant for a lot of people here.
Only in so far as is necessary to discuss whether people should use
"id" or a typed pointer, and perhaps a quick explanation of the
difference in approach as regards collections---something like
Cocoa lets you store different types of objects in the same
collection, in contrast
to other libraries like the C++ STL; opinion is divided as to whether
this is a good
thing... Objective C programmers generally regard it as a benefit
because of the
increase in flexibility, but some people frown upon it as bad practice
and a potential
source of bugs. In practice, the extra risk can easily be addressed
by proper testing
(for example using the excellent OCUnit framework, which integrates
with Project
Builder).
for example.
Last time I looked, the thread had turned into a much more general
discussion on the pros and cons of languages with dynamic or static
type systems, which is all very interesting, but not really what the
list is supposed to be about (and not really useful to Cocoa newbies
either).
I don't *mind* off-topic posts, just as long as they don't end-up
swamping everything else.
As for the NDAs, that thread could quickly get back on topic if Apple
would just let developers talk about the things we want to talk about.
:)
Indeed ;-)
Kind regards,
Alastair.
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