Re: Strong language about Cocoa and Qt.
Re: Strong language about Cocoa and Qt.
- Subject: Re: Strong language about Cocoa and Qt.
- From: Jeff Harrell <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 00:45:37 -0500
On Tuesday, July 1, 2003, at 12:23 AM, j o a r wrote:
It could be a native window, why not? Seriously, that would not be a
problem.
I'm just gonna say one last thing about this, because yeah, it was
never really on-topic for cocoa-dev to begin with.
In my opinion, the discussion thus far has revolved around two ideas.
One: implement native-looking user interfaces using non-native (maybe
Cocoa-plus) toolkits. My opinion is that this is not a great idea, or
rather that it has never yet been demonstrated to be an okay idea. I'm
thinking now of things like Java Swing, which is equally bad on all
platforms, and QT which is likewise nondiscriminatory in its suckiness.
All in my humble opinion, naturally.
Two: implement native, really, truly native, user interfaces and
control them with non-native (maybe Cocoa-plus) controllers. Yes,
that's controllers as in model-view-controller, which is really what
we're talking about here. Now, whether this is done with nibs or some
other piece of runtime cleverness or whether it's done at link-time
isn't something that keeps me up nights. This approach is one I would
throw my weight behind, were I presently working on a cross-platform
application. It has the distinct disadvantage, however, of requiring
thought and planning up-front, something we all know we should do but
passing few of us actually do.
If I've missed a third (or fourth or moreth) idea, somebody please let
me know about it, either on-list or off, because these are the only two
that have thus far penetrated the intricately arrayed defenses
surrounding my head-space and left glowing craters in the undulating
surface of my brain.
And as for the "Cocoa-plus" thing, it's past midnight where I live, and
as far as I know that means it's okay to throw in a sidewise Burgess
reference if you're polite about it.
"There was me, that is Alex, and my three droogs, that is Pete,
Georgie, and Dim, Dim being really Dim, and we sat in the Korova
Milkbar making up our rassoodocks what to do with the evening, a flip
dark chill winter bastard through dry. The Korova Milkbar was a
milk-plus mesto, and you may, O my brothers, have forgotten what these
mestos were like, things changing so skorry these days and everybody
very quick to forget, newspapers not being read much neither. Well,
what they sold there was milk plus something else. They had no license
for selling liquor, but there was no law yet against prodding some of
the new veshches which they used to put into the old moloko, so you
could peet it with vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom or one or two
other veshches which would give you a nice quick horrorshow fifteen
minutes admiring Bog And All His Holy Angels And Saints in your left
shoe with lights bursting all over your mozg."
("A Clockwork Orange")
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