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Re: PPP Control (One More Question)
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Re: PPP Control (One More Question)


  • Subject: Re: PPP Control (One More Question)
  • From: Joshua Orr <email@hidden>
  • Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:03:48 -0600

> On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, Joshua Orr wrote:
>
> [ alas I don't seem to have the complete attribution history. Check the
> list archives if you really need to. ]
>
>>>>>> I am using it to dial a number that9s I want to keep hidden. I have
>>>>>> succeeded in getting it to dial and not leave any record of it
>>>>>> except in the
>>>>>> Connection Log in the Internet Connect application.
>>>>>> Is there any way to tell the PPP daemon to not log down a particular
>>>>>> dial,
>>>>>> or is there any way I could get rid of the log entries using my
>>>>>> Cocoa app?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a bad idea to do this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would you want to hide the fact that your app is using the
>>>>> telephone line from the user? The telephone line is a resource which
>>>>> costs the user $$$ ... so, you hiding the fact from her, is a bad
>>>>> thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can think of only one reason you would want to do this: nefarious
>>>>> XXX dial-back software $$$-making scam scheme.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not the sort of software project I'd like to help, and I hope
>>>>> nobody else wants to help write that sort of software, either ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You obviously can't think very well, can you? Please don't assume
>>>> something
>>>> like this, especially when there is a good reason.
>>>>
>>>> If you really want to know, the reason is that I have a 1-800 number
>>>> dial up
>>>> point for people to easily signup for an ISP service. I would rather
>>>> keep
>>>> this 1-800 number a secret to help avoid abuse.
>>>>
>>>> The user knows that the modem is dialing, I would just like to keep the
>>>> 1-800 number dialed from the user.
>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Just out of interest (sorry to be slow), but what kind of abuse could
>>> you be open to? Surely the connection at your end is authenticated some
>>> how before any communication starts?
>>>
>>> I only ask as I am thinking of implementing something similar (albeit
>>> with a low cost, rather than 0800 number).
>>>
>>> Personally - I would think that having a good, secure system would work
>>> better than attempting to hide your number - although I may have missed
>>> something - it's getting late. Security through obscurity has a habit
>>> of backfiring - just look at the mess Microsoft are in...
>>>
>>> ~ Matt
>
>> It is authenticated at the other end. But at least I can make it a little
>> bit harder for anyone. I figure that I might as well do all I can...
>
> And then by the time the user gets their next phone bill, they see the
> number listed right there in the itemization of the calls they've made.
> They can then share that number around just as easily as if they'd had to
> dig through the pppd logs.
>
> And of course at the same time you will have managed to make at least some
> of your users feel uneasy about the fact that you're dialling a 'secret'
> number, precisely because of those scams that are out there that will
> 'helpfully' dial a _900_-number for you.
>
> I'm going to suggest that this is a bit of 'security' that you would do
> well without, because a) it won't actually stop those who want to abuse
> your number, and b) it may actually cause negative feedback and resentment
> from security-conscious users.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> // Christian Brunschen
>

Well, you have convinced me. One last question. I want to make sure they
can't pull out the PPP user name and password for the 800 numbe dial out of
the binary code. I was thinking about making it incorrect in the binary, and
applying some sort of transformation to it at run time to get the correct
strings.

Any suggestions?

Thanks!


-Joshua D. Orr-
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