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Re: C question for you old guys ;-)
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Re: C question for you old guys ;-)


  • Subject: Re: C question for you old guys ;-)
  • From: Glenn Andreas <email@hidden>
  • Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:24:14 -0500

At 10:50 AM -0400 6/11/03, Robert Palmer Jr wrote:
Hello all,

so as someone who has read most of this thread, but missed some of the original, I would offer another thought (sorry to keep this going, but it struck me this morning).

what does:

"a is b" mean?

Seriously if I hadn't been told, this would NOT be obvious. Does this mean "a IS EQUAL to b" (assignment) or "IS a equal to b" (comparison).


In Python, "is" means "is the same object" which is different from "=" which means "equivalent value"

So

if 5 == 5: print "OK"
if 5 is 5: print "OK"
if "abc" == "a" + "b" + "c": print "OK"

all print "OK"
but

if "abc" is "a" + "b" + "c": print "NOT OK"

doen't print anything.

With objects in Cocoa, "==" means "is the same bitwise pattern" (i.e., the same object) and the method "isEqualTo:" is used for "equivalent value".

Of course in C++, "==" can mean just about anything, from the same bit-level pattern to "equiavlent value" or whatever some sicko decides it should mean (which may have nothing to do with the concept of "is"ness, just like "<<" with iostreams has nothing to do with bit-shifting).

So basically, depending on the context of it's usage and the background of the person reading code, "is" may not have the same meaning as "==" would/should.


though I think we can all agree that this is far less an abomination than :

#define IF if (
#define THEN )
#define ELSE else
#define BEGIN {
#define END }
etc...

(which I still remember being touted as a "great" thing to help people move from Pascal to C in a Byte article years back).

Glenn Andreas email@hidden
Author of Macintosh games: Theldrow 2.3, Blobbo 1.0.2, Cythera 1.0.2
Be good, and you will be lonesome
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