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Re: troubling article/C question for you old guys ;-)
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Re: troubling article/C question for you old guys ;-)


  • Subject: Re: troubling article/C question for you old guys ;-)
  • From: Barry Wilson <email@hidden>
  • Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:32:51 -0700

On Wednesday, June 11, 2003, at 04:21 AM, Jay Vaughan wrote:

I think the point (which seems lost in the neverending Conflict of Dogma so many programmers seem unable to resolve these days in their Quests for Authority)

Judging from your other posts here I almost wonder if that statement is autobiographical.

That's not *my* 'typical' development environment. (vi + make, if you want to know.)

I think on this particular list the "typical" environment is Project Builder, no? Also is there something BAD about RAD? I thought Cocoa development was kind of rad too.

I think its a little more appropriate than sending him an inflamed opinion on his nature of being...


And yet this is exactly what you have done to John Randolph in your comments on the "C question" thread. Your last line in *that* post is revealing...

(Why yes, having written a few millions of lines of C code in my life, I *am* a C Zealot. Thanks very much for noticing ... and sorry for clogging cocoa-dev with my boring rhetoric.)

If we were discussing pre-processor macros are they not a part of C? Maybe C Zealots are just supposed to be ashamed of the pre-processor because of past abuses? In any case we aren't really talking about C are we? We are talking about Objective-C. In particular Obj-C with Cocoa, which has already adopted a very readable style of method invocation. Why not a readable test for equality? I don't think that is grounds for calling someone's engineering skills into doubt.

Don't be proud of how many millions of lines of code you've written. BE proud of writing one succinct line of code where others might have written ten, or removing lines of code without sacrificing function. BE proud of making projects tighter, more maintainable, readable, more robust and less error-prone. Those are engineering skills.

By the way, I could care less whether everyone agrees with me or not. I am not on a Quest For Authority. I enjoy seeing the diversity of opinion on the list except when someone goes a little too far. So keep posting your comments, but lay off the other guys.

Barry Wilson
"I'd search for a good by-line but I've already got a life, thanks."
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