Re: Code Completion
Re: Code Completion
- Subject: Re: Code Completion
- From: publiclook <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:34:06 -0500
I would like auto-completion in PB as well.
However, the "tone" of John.MacNamara's "demand" seems a bit harsh. I
wonder how much he paid for Project Builder compared to Visual C++,
CodeWarior, or Visual Basic. I assume he has never edited source code
with ctags and vi.
Over all, Apple's tools for software development are very nice and
quite productive. You just can't beet the price either.
Since he rants about the missing auto-complete feature and says that
the features that do exists aren't "better than nothing", I wonder if
he goes to the Visual C++ lists and rants that they don't have
Interface Builder and MFC is slow, buggy, poorly designed,
inconsistent, and uses a language that is so huge, inconsistent, and
irrational that even its creators can't understand it and years after
the ISO/ANSI standard was completed there STILL isn't a single
compliant compiler in the world. Nevermind that the ISO/ANSI
"standard" leaves so many holes that even standards compliant compilers
are free to either not compile supposedly standard code or silently
change the semantics of the code.
On Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 06:42 AM, email@hidden
wrote:
F5 will only finish a word based on words you have already typed...
It is NOT even a pathetic attempt at code-completion...
What we NEED is proper code completion (such as code-insight from
Microsoft, or code completion as seen in Eclipse)
If you have never seen these, than perhaps it is ok, that you think
that
F5 is "better than nothing"
In fact not it is not "better than nothing", because people would not
be
able to point to it and dismiss calls for proper code completion.
I don't care what they have to do, borrow it from the open source code
of
eclipse, come up with their own competitive version... But it is as
simple
as this VB has had code-insight for close on 7 years (if not longer),
and
we are still waiting for an attempt at copying it from apple...
John.
Marc Weil <email@hidden>
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03/06/2003 11:25 AM
To: MAGDELENAT Philippe
<email@hidden>, Cocoa Digest
<email@hidden>
cc:
Subject: Re: Code Completion
On 3/6/03 5:37 AM, "MAGDELENAT Philippe"
<email@hidden> wrote:
Hi,
New to Cocoa and ObjC (and then to PB), programming in Java for a
living, I am seriously scared by the lack of code completion in PB.
I might have missed something but the PB's capabilities in this domain
are seriously limited. I know that, once, code completion wasn't even
an option but still, when used to develop using Idea (for those of you
who know it) where everything is done to improve your code quality,
your speed and your re-factoring when needed, I wonder about how
painful it is to type ObjC code.
Actually, it DOES have code completion. Just type in the first few
letters
of the symbol (variable name, method, class, etc.) and press F5. It
isn't
*real* code completion, meaning that it isn't going to complete every
symbol
in the current file, but rather, it will complete symbols as you have
already manually typed in. If it guesses the wrong symbol when you
press
F5,
just press it again (and continue to press it) to cycle through all of
the
guesses it has. It works about 80-90% of the time, but it's better than
nothing!
Marc Weil
--
"Software exists to solve your problems. We exist to make the
problems."
Microsoft
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