Re: Code Completion
Re: Code Completion
- Subject: Re: Code Completion
- From: email@hidden
- Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 16:02:31 +0000
Typical respons from a zealot... I paid the same for Project Builder that
I and everybody else paid for Eclipse (nothing).
Just because something is "free" (read provided to developers to encourage
them to develop for a minority platform) doesn't mean that we can't have
expectations...
And since I no longer develop for the Win32 platform, no I don't complain,
but when I was dveloping, yes I did... it's called user feedback.
If you like, you can keep telling yourself that you are being provided
with the "best" solution, or you can "demand" a better service.
(Don't get me wrong, I am whining and moaning about features that don't
exist (because I want the best), I also congratulate, and applaud the
features that are provided... Infact I have voted with my feet and my
money(machines, adc membership, OSX upgrades, so don't tell me I didn't
indirectly pay for the developer tools...), I am here developing for the
mac, afterall...)
John.
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Subject: Re: Code Completion
I would like auto-completion in PB as well.
However, the "tone" of John.MacNamara's "demand" seems a bit harsh. I
wonder how much he paid for Project Builder compared to Visual C++,
CodeWarior, or Visual Basic. I assume he has never edited source code
with ctags and vi.
Over all, Apple's tools for software development are very nice and
quite productive. You just can't beet the price either.
Since he rants about the missing auto-complete feature and says that
the features that do exists aren't "better than nothing", I wonder if
he goes to the Visual C++ lists and rants that they don't have
Interface Builder and MFC is slow, buggy, poorly designed,
inconsistent, and uses a language that is so huge, inconsistent, and
irrational that even its creators can't understand it and years after
the ISO/ANSI standard was completed there STILL isn't a single
compliant compiler in the world. Nevermind that the ISO/ANSI
"standard" leaves so many holes that even standards compliant compilers
are free to either not compile supposedly standard code or silently
change the semantics of the code.
On Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 06:42 AM, email@hidden
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F5 will only finish a word based on words you have already typed...
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It is NOT even a pathetic attempt at code-completion...
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What we NEED is proper code completion (such as code-insight from
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Microsoft, or code completion as seen in Eclipse)
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If you have never seen these, than perhaps it is ok, that you think
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that
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F5 is "better than nothing"
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In fact not it is not "better than nothing", because people would not
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be
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able to point to it and dismiss calls for proper code completion.
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I don't care what they have to do, borrow it from the open source code
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of
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eclipse, come up with their own competitive version... But it is as
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simple
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as this VB has had code-insight for close on 7 years (if not longer),
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and
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we are still waiting for an attempt at copying it from apple...
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John.
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Marc Weil <email@hidden>
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03/06/2003 11:25 AM
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To: MAGDELENAT Philippe
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<email@hidden>, Cocoa Digest
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<email@hidden>
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cc:
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Subject: Re: Code Completion
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On 3/6/03 5:37 AM, "MAGDELENAT Philippe"
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<email@hidden> wrote:
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> Hi,
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> New to Cocoa and ObjC (and then to PB), programming in Java for a
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> living, I am seriously scared by the lack of code completion in PB.
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> I might have missed something but the PB's capabilities in this domain
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> are seriously limited. I know that, once, code completion wasn't even
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> an option but still, when used to develop using Idea (for those of you
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> who know it) where everything is done to improve your code quality,
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> your speed and your re-factoring when needed, I wonder about how
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> painful it is to type ObjC code.
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Actually, it DOES have code completion. Just type in the first few
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letters
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of the symbol (variable name, method, class, etc.) and press F5. It
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isn't
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*real* code completion, meaning that it isn't going to complete every
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symbol
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in the current file, but rather, it will complete symbols as you have
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already manually typed in. If it guesses the wrong symbol when you
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press
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F5,
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just press it again (and continue to press it) to cycle through all of
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the
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guesses it has. It works about 80-90% of the time, but it's better than
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nothing!
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Marc Weil
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--
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"Software exists to solve your problems. We exist to make the
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problems."
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Microsoft
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