Re: State of Cocoa adoption
Re: State of Cocoa adoption
- Subject: Re: State of Cocoa adoption
- From: Don Yacktman <email@hidden>
- Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 14:38:09 -0700
On Saturday, March 15, 2003, at 09:14 AM, petite_abeille wrote:
On Saturday, Mar 15, 2003, at 16:30 Europe/Zurich, Marcel Weiher wrote:
But... it got unceremoniously killed by Apple. You can still see its
forgotten remains in WebObjects.
Please: file a bug!
I don't thing so. Plus, canning EOF makes a strong statement about what
Apple is about: appearances.
"Please! No stinky 'enterprise' anything! We are a fruit company!"
Hehe ;-)
I've repeatedly told a variety of people at Apple that if they just
renamed EOF they'd be able to avoid that enterprise focus and at the
same time make it more clear to developers just what this software is
for and how it can be useful. There's a lot of programmers out there
that hear "Enterprise Objects" and think it wouldn't be useful to them,
yet there's some stuff in EOF that would be useful in EVERY Cocoa app
written, especially the EOInterface layer! The renaming I proposed was:
EOInterface -> ControllerKit
the rest -> Persistent Objects Framework
I even mentioned in my book that Cocoa is great at providing the Model
and View parts of MVC but does poorly at providing the controller side
of the equation. It was an attempt at giving Apple a mild spanking (the
editors wanted to yank it and I fought to keep it because I think it's
an important message to send to Apple). EOInterface did a remarkably
good job of providing general controller objects, and it could be used
independently of the database stuff. Even though it was a part of EOF,
it certainly didn't have to be. It is quite useful of its own accord;
it was a great way to wire up a GUI to any kind of model, even
non-database ones.
I've also told the same people at Apple that many of us aren't so much
after EOF specifically as to the functionality that it offered. An
all-new, redesigned framework that's even better would certainly be fine
with me. Bringing back EOF (even if just under a new name) is probably
the easier path, though, and that would be acceptable, too.
--
Later,
Don Yacktman
email@hidden
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