Re: State of Cocoa adoption
Re: State of Cocoa adoption
- Subject: Re: State of Cocoa adoption
- From: Oleg Svirgstin <email@hidden>
- Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 04:09:18 +0300
There is another commercial vertical market project (that I am working on).
It is near its 50% border now. I can't expose to public more details. So at
least there are THREE of them. I think there must be several hundreds of
them now, and there could be much more of them if not current crisis.
EOF and better tools (PB and IB are not always quite good...) would hardly
change Cocoa adoption significantly.
I did a lot of paradigm shift in my application: sometimes I bypass the
shift state and type everything in uppercase. So this question is YES too.
:)
Finally, I think that if this crisis will ever get over, there will be a lot
of new Cocoa projects. The thing is too great to stay unnoticed.
It is as different from other styles of programming to develop in Cocoa as
it was using Macintosh in the world of PCs with 640K limit and MS/DOS. It is
irresistible.
I hope the world will change to a better place one day in the future. And
Cocoa will be the reason.
Regards
Oleg
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From: publiclook <email@hidden>
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Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 19:36:01 -0500
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To: email@hidden
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Subject: Re: State of Cocoa adoption
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On Sunday, March 16, 2003, at 06:54 PM, Chris Hanson wrote:
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> At 6:18 PM -0500 3/16/03, publiclook wrote:
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>> There has been a lot of discussion (in this thread) about projects
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>> that aren't being done with Cocoa because of missing database access
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>> features (EOF) and substandard tools (limited auto-text expansion in
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>> PB).
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> I highly doubt that there are any projects that aren't being done in
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> Cocoa simply because Project Builder doesn't include Visual
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> Studio-like code completion.
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> Cocoa is so productive an environment that even if we were stuck using
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> plain TextEdit (or vi for that matter) it would *still* beat other
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> frameworks for productivity.
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> (Honestly, I would seriously doubt the competence of anyone for whom
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> lack of code completion prevents them from productive with Cocoa.)
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>> Are custom vertical applications being written with Cocoa ? (sounds
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>> like the answer is mostly no)
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> You can't treat lack of an affirmative response as a negative
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> response. It could be that people aren't answering this question or
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> can't answer it for whatever reason. Or perhaps the people working on
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> such projects aren't reading the mailing list.
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> -- Chris
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My comments were an attempt to head off the discussion in this thread
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to date and not any conclusion or prediction. When I first asked these
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questions, the thread spun off regarding lack of Cocoa style database
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access and a very assertive complaint about the lack of code
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completion. I certainly never missed code completion in PB, but that
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is the way the thread went.
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I know that often people can't talk about their projects. However, if
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there are any stories that can be told, I would like to hear them :)
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Just today there was a post about two new vertical applications being
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planned. This is good news and reinforces the already good sign that
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there seems to be a lot of people joining this forum.
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So, what are you all doing ?
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