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Re: cocoa app from scratch
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Re: cocoa app from scratch


  • Subject: Re: cocoa app from scratch
  • From: Steven Harms <email@hidden>
  • Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:03:34 -0700

Ihar,

I believe that, like you, we are both in the early stages of learning Cocoa and would like to apply our experiences in other languages to make learning Cocoa easy.

Part of the heuristic of 'how to learn' starts with an editor, a compiler, and "here is how you declare a variable" - we then move to conditionals, loops, objects etc. Without that education I felt very naked in the O'Reilly books.

I read the first 15 chapters or so of Stephen Kochan's _Programming in Objective-C_ by SAMS press. I am now going through Hillegass' book and am very pleased (outside of the mail i sent moments ago!).

Kochan's book gives enough familiarity in the basics to demystify a lot of the Cocoa work -- Hillegass does a very good job in building up the basics. I would recommend this path to the absolute beginner.

Steven


Ihar 'Philips' Filipau wrote:

Hello!

I was just wondering, is there any way of building cocoa application without Xcode/IB?

I'm trying to learn this stuff by myself. But I'm not really /visual/ programmer - and I'm getting bored of IB pretty fast. It needs *way* *too* *much* mouse clicking. It's just impossible (*). Most of the tutorials on Internet are just not applicabable to 10.3.*'s Xcode/IB due to new names/features. And most of this tutorial are just "click here, then here, then click here, then click here, then here." In the end you are getting something - seems like XML file insode of bundle, which is not that readable/understandable. And you can only hope that this next "click here" exists in my version of IB. As a total newbie it have been proven ver difficult.

So I'm looking for some sample of Cocoa application (say HelloWorld) which is written without IB.

Any pointers to FAQs/RTFMs will be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

(*) Yeah, normally I don't use mouse. At all. MacOS itsef user-wise requires much less mouse waiving.

P.S. I have had some experience with GTK's Glade and Borland's C++ Builder. Is there anything like GTK's Glade for Cocoa - what basicly generates source code for given piece of GUI, which one (I'm oversimplifying here) needs to call from main(). I need something I can look into and understand what is going on.
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