On May 22, 2005, at 12:26 PM, John Stiles wrote: I was under the impression, from talking to other developers, that the "NS" switch occurred before Sun entered the picture (to mean "NeXTStep"). And then when Sun began collaborating with NeXT, the "NeXT-Sun" nomenclature just kind of worked out conveniently. I am not sure if it's true, though.