Re: Cocoa Books
Re: Cocoa Books
- Subject: Re: Cocoa Books
- From: Yorh <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 01:27:53 +0200
Hi Jonathan,
This is my personal thought:
yes you need to know some C.
You need to know what is a variable, how to declare it, a struct how
to declare and use it.
And pointers because cocoa and obj-c use a lot of pointers.
There are a lot of posts about it, and I like to answer in this way:
Obj-C is a superset of C ... so yes you really need to know C.
Leave C++ books where is now:under the table :)
Bye
[Yorh]
On Apr 11, 2006, at 1:19 AM, Jonathan wrote:
Hi--
So I went to O’Reilly and got the online version of Hillegass.
Here’s from his introduction:
“This book is written for programmers who already know some C
programming
and something about objects”.
A bit later:
“Objective-C is a simple and elegant extension to C, and mastering
it will
take about two hours -- if you already know C and an object-oriented
language like Java or C++”.
And from Chapter One, no less:
“What is an object? An object is like a C struct ...”.
At this point, I realized I would indeed need to go back to my
beginner’s C
tome.
So here’s my point. C really isn’t used in Cocoa and you only need the
concepts, so you probably shouldn’t learn C. But if you don’t learn
C, you
can’t learn Cocoa, because it assumes a knowledge of C.
Huh?
To me, there have got to be a bunch of folks here who could
competently
write a great “Cocoa For Dummies” book in a flash, which would
include the
Objective-C we need, as well as the step by step Cocoa instruction
at the
same time, help all of us stupid, inexperienced n00b’s get into the
most
exciting set of tools for Mac (I’m very excited...), help the Mac
community,
do good for all us Mac users by broadening the accessibility of our
tools to
a wider audience — and maybe make a hell of a lot of money, just as
a bonus
for being so nice.
In fact, just an email book proposal to O’ Reilly or some other such
Publisher, might even finance the whole endeavor.
Just my two cents, and we all know what two cents is worth these
days, after
all.
Best,
Jonathan
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