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Re: Is there any overhead on hidden views?
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Re: Is there any overhead on hidden views?


  • Subject: Re: Is there any overhead on hidden views?
  • From: "Greg Herlihy" <email@hidden>
  • Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 18:46:18 -0700

True, the only the way to hide a view prior to Panther was to remove it from its view hiearchy. A program doing so would typically place this code within a "hide" method and add it to an NSView via a category.

So the actual difference pre and post Panther is not only a difference in hiding behavior but also in its implementation: that is, whether to use a program-supplied method to hide a view versus one supplied by the Cocoa framework. In other words, any program currently hiding its own views can avail itself of built-in support for view hiding on Panther and later systems.

Greg

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ondra Cada" <email@hidden>
To: "Greg Herlihy" <email@hidden>
Cc: "John C. Randolph" <email@hidden>; "Eric Lin" <email@hidden>; "Cocoa-dev" <email@hidden>
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: Is there any overhead on hidden views?



Greg,

On 2.5.2006, at 2:26, Greg Herlihy wrote:

Actually, hidden views do incur some operational overhead, but only on Panther and later systems (that is, OS X 10.3 and later).

Well... not quite.

Prior to Panther, hiding a view removed it from its view hierarchy.

Correct me please if I am wrong, but priori to Panther it just *was not possible* to hide a view. Therefore, if you needed that, you had to employ some work-around. Which may (or may not) have been removing it from the hiearchy. You can still do that, *exactly* as you used to pre-Panther, if you want to.

Starting with Panther, this behavior changed.

Unless I am much mistaken, nothing changed at all; hiding was *added* instead.

But in exchange for hidden views' overhead comes some welcome convenience: unhiding a view on a Panther or later OS is much less of a hassle than it used to be because the hidden view will be correctly proportioned for its window. In contrast, when unhiding a view on a pre-Panther OS, the view would have kept the same dimensions that it had at the time when it was hidden - a fact which becomes something of a problem if its window has since been resized.

Actually, if this was an issue, a different work-around used to be employed -- namely, moving the view outside of its superview frame (something like [10000,10000]). Now *this* is one work-around which is not needed anymore (it was ugly, error-prone, and brought number of generally unwanted consequences). --- Ondra Čada OCSoftware: email@hidden http://www.ocs.cz private email@hidden http://www.ocs.cz/oc


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