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Re: Quit menu item undimming itself?!
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Re: Quit menu item undimming itself?!


  • Subject: Re: Quit menu item undimming itself?!
  • From: Lon Giese <email@hidden>
  • Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 23:31:53 -0700


Why did you change from a window to a sheet? A sheet sounds better to me .. you can put any widgets you want on a sheet... and sounds like you want an application modal any way so why not call the sheet without a window and get application modal?


On May 9, 2006, at 4:30 PM, John Stiles wrote:

On May 9, 2006, at 4:15 PM, Matt Neuburg wrote:

On Tue, 9 May 2006 13:57:16 -0700, John Stiles <email@hidden> said:
The app I'm working on is the moral equivalent of Apple's Software
Update. It basically works the same way Software Update does˜quitting
is disallowed in the middle of an operation; instead there is a sheet
with a Cancel button that the user can click.

The Apple Installer also behaves the same as my app˜it has a dialog
with a Cancel button, and the Quit menu item does not function

But it isn't dimmed, either. And indeed, if *you* put up a sheet in *your*
app, you will find that if the user chooses Quit, your app will just beep -
you won't even get an event. And if you put up an application-modal dialog,
the Quit menu will dim of its own accord. So there is no need for you to dim
the Quit menu; Cocoa does the right thing all by itself. m.

Heh, you're right. I switched from a sheet to a window recently and that's when this became an issue at all. I said "sheet" in a prior description of my app, but that was inaccurate; it's just a window now. It used to be a sheet ;) In older builds, when it was a sheet, it worked exactly like you describe it. It was kind of cool.


FWIW, I used to handle this by beeping and returning NO in applicationShouldTerminate, but some other members of our team, as well as our testers, agreed that if a menu item is just going to beep at you, it should probably be dimmed. Personally I found this to be a compelling argument and so I ended up going down this road :)

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