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Re: Cocoa et al as HCI usability problem
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Re: Cocoa et al as HCI usability problem


  • Subject: Re: Cocoa et al as HCI usability problem
  • From: Jeff LaMarche <email@hidden>
  • Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 15:14:24 -0400


On May 21, 2008, at 1:30 PM, Peter Duniho wrote:

My _main_ objection is how newcomers to Mac development are treated. Please, when someone new to the current Mac development environment brings up one or more of these points, don't say "well, you're too inexperienced to see why [Obj-C|Cocoa|the documentation| the tools] is/are so great". Don't say "you're riff-raff, it's supposed to be hard, we _like_ that it's keeping you out". Don't say "you must not have read the conceptual guides, otherwise all this would be clear". Or any of the other condescending, presumptuous things that I've seen said on a semi-regular basis

Okay, first, Scott, my apologies - I'm letting the thread die after this -- promise -- but needed to respond to this one tiny point.


Pete - you complain that people should treat newcomers better, yet here you are characterizing what many of us have said in a blatantly antagonistic way. Riff-raff? We "like" that it's keeping you out? Nobody said any such thing. It may be that people won't want to help you now, but not because you're a newcomer, but rather because you're baiting people and unfairly characterizing our words and our intentions. Don't ascribe ill-will to people who tell you things you don't agree with or don't accept as true. I guarantee you that every response was an honest attempt to help.
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