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Re: NSRunLoop run semantics
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Re: NSRunLoop run semantics


  • Subject: Re: NSRunLoop run semantics
  • From: Chris Kane <email@hidden>
  • Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:41:32 -0700

On Sep 9, 2008, at 17:59, Roman Kishchenko wrote:

Chris, Bill, thanks for your replies.

My question was more about seeming contradiction between method description ("if no input sources or timers are attached to the run loop, this method exits immediately") and behavior I observed (nothing is attached to the loop by my application, yet, it does not exit immediately).

I have also tested runUtilDate: and runMode:beforeDate: and they also block (until specified date) with no input sources registered by my simple tester application. So, assuming method descriptions are correct, some input source must have been registered by the Cocoa framework and is preventing runXXX methods from returning immediately...

So, just to clarify, I should NOT assume that the run loop of the thread that my application created processes only input sources attached by my application? I.e. the Cocoa framework may also schedule some application-unrelated tasks to be done on that thread?

Essentially correct. [But you should also not assume that some framework WILL install something in a run loop.] It would be particularly true for the main thread, that frameworks may install things in the main run loop, but it's possible with other threads as well.


It boils down to: frameworks are clients of the run loops, just like the app itself.


Chris Kane Cocoa Frameworks, Apple



It would seem a little odd... since I would have assumed that only application tasks are performed on the thread spawned by the application, provided there are no loop object leaks and such.

Thanks,
Roman Kishchenko

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Chris Kane <email@hidden> wrote:
On Sep 7, 2008, at 9:33, Roman Kishchenko wrote:
Hi,
I am new to Cocoa and have been experimenting with NSRunLoop. I would
appreciate clarification about 'run' method semantics. The documentation
states that:


"If no input sources or timers are attached to the run loop, this method
exits immediately"


Yet, in my thread example below, the 'run' invocation blocks and does not
exit. MyThread is a simple NSThread subclass. No custom input sources or
timers are registered with the run loop. Unless I misunderstand the
documentation or there are some 'hidden' input sources or timers are
registered with the run loop, I would expect 'run' to exist immediately.
Would much appreciate help with sorting this out!


Thanks,
Roman Kishchenko

@implementation MyThread

- (void)main {
  NSLog(@"++ start");
  NSRunLoop *loop = [NSRunLoop currentRunLoop];
  [loop run];
  NSLog(@"++ finish");
}

@end
_______________________________________________


This has come up before several times on this list over the years, so there are a few answers already in the archives. But I have an idea for a new way to explain it.


The documentation is correct. However, it's trying to warn you that the method *can* return, not explain how to get it to return.

The mistake people make is in assuming that they control the contents of a run loop (or even a run loop mode). However, the run loop is a global object, accessible to all code run on that thread (and perhaps other threads if you squirrel away a copy of the pointer somewhere). In particular, all frameworks that you call into, directly or indirectly, may access it and do things to it, including putting things in it.

I think you are intuiting exactly this when you mention "custom" and "hidden" input sources.

Try the -run...BeforeDate: method in a conditional loop if you want block in the run loop most of the time, but want to bail under some conditions (which would then be the test of the loop).


Chris Kane Cocoa Frameworks, Apple



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