Re: Coloreyes 20/20 camera profiles
Re: Coloreyes 20/20 camera profiles
- Subject: Re: Coloreyes 20/20 camera profiles
- From: Edmund Ronald <email@hidden>
- Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 13:22:06 +0100 (CET)
At the risk of being disrespectful Mark, European buildings do not have
aircon as a rule. The result is that aircon units cost a lot of money to
install when they are specified, and mostly do not work when they are
there. No one knows how to maintain them. The strange thing is that in
countries like the States and Japan aircon units are universal,
affordable, and mostly work. The same used to be true of aircon in
european cars. If you have evr sweltered in 40 degree Celsius heat in the
summer in a train or car with no aircon on the mediterranean coast you
will know what I mean. As for houses, no one has it here, and I was so
surprised when I got to Japan and Singapore and it was universal!
As for the impossibility of bundling, The HP designjet 10PS proofer model
which costs about $1000 has built-in calibration hardware, and as far as I
know HP does not lose money on printers. The reason I don't use one is
that the inks are not permanent, as a proofing device it is superb.
Similarly, Epson is bundling CMS utility software with its semi-pro
scanners. Bundling is possible. Integrated CMS in devices is possible.
Last, not least, If I need a set of lights for a shoot I can rent it. I
have done so, for evaluation purposes, although I now own all the lights I
need. I actually know quite a few photographers who use a lot of rented
lights, although of course I live in socialist europe. I assume some red
or liberal US photographers have also been known to occasionnally rent
lights rather than buy them; Now why can't I rent CMS tools, software, a
spectro etc ? Why does the Eye1 Match license forbid the sale of profiles
? Will I need to pay Nikon royalties soon on the pictures I shoot with
their cameras ?I have heard that even in the capitalistic USA car rental
is actually legal, and perfectly honorable buisnessmen have been known to
rent cars rather than purchase them. Indeed car manufacturers have not
restricted this practice, nor attempted to charge mileage on rentals.
I agree with everything you say about the usefulness of CMS tools. The one
thing I disagree with is the current predatory pricing/licensing approach.
We will get cheap integrated (medium quality) CMS, just as we got cheap
integrated light-meters and motor drives in our cameras.
Edmund
On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, Mark Buckner wrote:
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Hi Edmund,
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I must respectfully disagree, to a point. If we're going to make analogies
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to the "bad old days", the film manufacturers were only peripherally
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involved in CM, in the sense that they tried as best they could to get
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emulsions to match from batch to batch, within the limits of the chemical
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and mechanical processes employed. If they were really "color managed" to
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the extent we expect today, I would not have had to waste so much time and
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money on testing film emulsions prior to important assignments.
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I would submit that the real CM chain back then began with the scanner that
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"captured" the image from our chromes. Now WE are the scanner operators and
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the scanners are our digicams. So, the responsibility shifts from the
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scanner operator to the photographer.
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I agree that it would be great if camera manufacturers would give us a great
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tool like this for "free". I'd also like free monitor profiling software
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with my next display, free scanner profiling software with my scanner, and
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most of all, free profiling software and a spectro to read targets with my
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next printer. Not going to happen though, and if it did, we'd all be paying
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for it one way or another. Nothing is really "free" with software bundles.
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You're paying for it whether you like it or not. Ironically, the DSLR
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cameras which are (relatively) less expensive, actually benefit more from a
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carefully crafted camera profile than the more expensive medium format
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camera backs. This makes the investment seem more expensive compared to the
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cost of the camera. We photogrpahers expect to be compensated for our hard
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work and creativity. I don't begrudge software developers the same.
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Finally, I'd like to suggest that applications like Coloreyes 20/20 (and
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monitor, scanner and printer profiling tools as well) are just "tools" that
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make for better images and higher productivity. The example I like to use
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when talking to fellow photographers involves a carpentry analogy: You hire
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a professional builder to build you a house. He COULD show up to work with
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just a hammer and a bag of nails, but odds are he will arrive with an air
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compressor and a pneumatic nail gun. Increased productivity and efficiency
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benefits both the client and the contractor. So it is with profile building
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tools. Yes, they're expensive, but if using them means that occasionally I
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have my work finished in time to relax in front of the fire with my dogs and
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my wife, as I did tonight, they're a bargain. And, I do agree that we should
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be able to share the profiles we create for our own devices with our
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clients, etc. for the sake of making everyone's life easier.
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Just my $.02!
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Regards,
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Mark
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