Re: Photoshop 7/Quark 5 Workflow
Re: Photoshop 7/Quark 5 Workflow
- Subject: Re: Photoshop 7/Quark 5 Workflow
- From: "john c." <email@hidden>
- Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 16:14:30 -0500
Chris,
We've been very happy with Praxisoft's CompassPro extension for Quark
(version 4.11 at least). Are you familiar with it? I understand that it's
now available for versions 5 and 6.
john castronovo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Murphy" <email@hidden>
To: "Pablo Roufogalis L." <email@hidden>
Cc: <email@hidden>
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: Photoshop 7/Quark 5 Workflow
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On Mar 20, 2004, at 8:28 AM, Pablo Roufogalis L. wrote:
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> Hello to all.
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> I have read bad things in this list about using Quark 5 as the hub of
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> a CMS workflow, either RGB or CMYK-based for print output.
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There is a disconnect between what is logical and what it actually
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does. For example if you have the "Color Manage CMYK Sources to CMYK
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Destinations" box unchecked, then you can be assured that regardless of
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embedded or assumed profiles for placed images, CMYK images will never
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be converted - TO A CMYK DESTINATION. It's a good safe feature, and it
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works exactly as it says it will work, but there are some problems with
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it.
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1. For tagged images, QuarkCMS still uses the embedded profile as
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source for on-screen preview.
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2. For untagged images, QuarkCMS will assume the Default CMYK profile
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for images as source for on-screen preview.
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3. If you try to proof to a CMYK device, RGB images get proofed
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correctly, but CMYK images do not because the destination (proofer) is
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CMYK. So to proof you must turn off this checkbox - which may cause
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embedded profiles to get used that you don't intend to use when
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printing the document.
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So everything works as designed, it's just that you have to be really
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careful how you put together the QuarkXPress document. A complex layout
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can rapidly become an impossible color management juggling act where
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the end user is having to think about color management a lot more than
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the application. But for simple stuff, it's usable.
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> What would be missing in this workflow?:
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> 1) Prepping the files in Photoshop and saving either in AdobeRGB or
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> separating to CMYK using the press profile.
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> 2) Importing into Quark being careful regarding profile assignment to
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> each individual image and 'manage source to destination' checkboxes.
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> 3) Proofing full pages using the 'Composites Simulates Separation'
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> option. I understand there's a limitation here with the Absolute
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> Colorimetric Rendering Intent but that seems a minor issue. Was this
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> corrected in version 6?
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> 4) Separate/print normally.
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Composite Simulates Separation does not have rendering intent control.
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I'm pretty sure it uses the Composite profile default rendering intent,
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but it might be Relative Colorimetric hardwired. I forget. This is the
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same in 6.0 and 6.1.
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> If I understand correctly, I wouldn't have CM for EPS files nor for
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> color elements created in Quark itself.
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Not for EPS, but yes for solids.
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> It was proposed in earlier threads that it's better to turn off CM in
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> Quark and do it in the pdf environment. I wonder if it makes sense to
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> switch from a simple Quark/RIP workflow to a pdf-based workflow (at
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> least one additional step, plus new hardware and software) just for
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> the additional CM capabilities.
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That would require a normalized workflow so that you can assume source
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profiles once the PDF is made. This is because any profiles in non-EPS
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files placed in QuarkXPress do not have their profiles retained when
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PostScript (or PDF directly from QXP) is generated.
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FWIW the behavior of QuarkXPress is documented in greater detail in
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Real World Color Management. And the next edition will include changes
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in QuarkXPress 6.1.
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Chris Murphy
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Color Remedies (TM)
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www.colorremedies.com/realworldcolor
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Co-author "Real World Color Management"
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Published by PeachPit Press (ISBN 0-201-77340-6)
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