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Re: press or proofer


  • Subject: Re: press or proofer
  • From: Peter Kleinheider <email@hidden>
  • Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 17:29:43 +0200

Hi all

I can only answer for the european market, but here it would look like this:

1) check that the printer is working according to ISO 12647-2. There are specifications for
- the color specimens for the color inks (all as Lab)
-) the dotgain
-) the tolerances
-) the paper standards these values apply to


this implies, that the printer has setup the CTP system acordingly.

2) if a printer can print according to these specifications, it is possible to use the ISO-profiles available, that where taken from a standardized printrun. At the moment 6 different profiles (combination of paperclass and printing technique) are available

So if someone is working according to this standard, it is possible to use these profiles for proofing purposes and for separation.

If someone needs different ink limits or black generation, it is possible to get the characterization data for free.

These characterization data got produced with tools for flattening and dotgain adoption of multible sheets, that where first checked if they are within the ISO tolerance.

With these characterisation and tools like PrintOpen 5 from Heidelberg we now also have the possibility to generate profiles for similar printing conditions that are close to the ISO standard without the need of real prints. These profiles are in my experience very often better than some our old profiles we have generated from real prints, since we only measured about 10 sheets and had not the tools to "harmonize" the measured values.

This brings me to the following conclusion:

If a printer is printing according the standard, it is possible to use the standard profiles for separation and proofing. Only in the worst case that e.g. the print uses the maximum + tolerance and the proof is at the maximum - tolerance, you will see a huge difference between a proof and the according print.

My question is now: since ISO is an international standard, does it also get used in the US?

Peter

Am 19.05.2004 um 15:44 schrieb Jim Rich:

Simon,

Without knowing all the details of your relationship to the printer it is
hard to give specific advice.

Here is question and comments to consider about this undertaking.

Is the CTP portion of the printing process proven to be optimized?

That is, did some one (like a vendor or consultant) come in to the printer
(or did the printer themselves) and optimize the CTP process by figuring
out the dot gain of the CTP and press and then run some tests on the press
to find out the optimum densities to run to. And then did the press get
setup with good process controls so that the printer can get consistent
color results.

This might be a set of tough questions to ask the printer and tougher for
them to answer. However, if the printer does have the answers then you have
a good shot at it.

Once you know that type of press information you would then run some more
tests to verify that the pre-press files you are sending them will work as
expected. You will then stand a chance at getting a good press profile.

My.02.
Jim Rich
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