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Re: Grayscale perception
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Re: Grayscale perception


  • Subject: Re: Grayscale perception
  • From: "jc castronovo" <email@hidden>
  • Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:26:37 -0500

Mark is correct here. I'm quite familiar with both LVT and CRT film recorders, the inner workings and calibration of each. The Celco is very good, but no contender in comparison to good LVT output. CRT output is even more non-linear in the highlights than film and cannot reliably achieve a D-min of .08 either. Properly processed E6 film pretty much tops out at this brightness level which makes this a difficult thing to maintain. A more realistic aim is .10 which is still brighter than Kodak's aims for the LVT, but CRT recorders typically shoot for .20 or darker for a highlight to avoid the inherent flare of the tube and the more complex optical system. The darker aim and the flare of the CRT recorder helps to mask highlight banding.  I have very few issues with banding in either my LVT or CRT film output unless it's in the file to begin with (generated blends are clear offenders) in which case we have to add a little noise, but I've learned not to push the envelope beyond it's limits. We also process our own film and make custom profiles for our output which helps tremendously.
 
 
---- Original Message -----
From: Mark Rice
To: email@hidden
Cc: email@hidden
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 2:57 AM
Subject: RE: Grayscale perception

I was referring to large format film recorders. For retouching purposes, we had to achieve a D-Min of about .08, which required very high light output, as the film is extremely non-linear in this region. It's also the region where is is extremely difficult to achieve smooth gradation.
 
Mark


From: David Scharf [mailto:email@hidden]
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 1:23 AM
To: Mark Rice
Cc: 'Ray Maxwell'; email@hidden
Subject: Re: Grayscale perception

Mark,

I have to disagree. I have been using a Celco film recorder for 10 years. It has 16 bit LUTS and 16 output to the CRT. Extremely repeatable and stable in color and geometry (it has to be for motion picture film use). Today its still one of best film recorders you can get. I stopped using it a couple of years ago because my clients no longer want transparencies, just digital files. It's for sale now if you want the best....
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