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Who does the seperations? (Re: Profile Names and other suggestions)
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Who does the seperations? (Re: Profile Names and other suggestions)


  • Subject: Who does the seperations? (Re: Profile Names and other suggestions)
  • From: Richard Kenward <email@hidden>
  • Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 22:22:20 +0000

In his posting of Sat, 6 Jan 2007, writes
Andrew Rodney <email@hidden>

Look, both sides can come up with all kinds of examples of boneheaded users
doing stupid things that hose files. It's pointless.


Again, I submit it's vastly easier to train a photographer to produce
acceptable files for output to any device, even a press then it is to train
a prepress person to shoot a job. As yet, I know of no technology that makes
it easy to light a subject well, compose it well and produce an artistic
expression that someone on the receiving end will pay for. On the other
hand, if print shops would conform to print standards or at least keep their
processes under control and supply an ICC profile for that process, any
photographer who understands how to use Photoshop's soft proofing and the
Convert to Profile command can get 90%+ to the goal necessary to reproduce
the image. You want to massage the file? Fine. But let's look at the recent
history of photography, typesetting, prepress and imaging. What's the old
saying? Those who repeat the same mistakes and ignore history are likely to
continue making the same mistakes over and over again.

Dear Andrew

I agree with much of what you have written to this long running thread! I have had years of having images wrecked by pre-press/printers not doing their job right either through ignorance or simply not caring sufficiently. The good people are in the minority from where I am sitting.

Let's not forget that it's the photographer who will very likely be the one person who has been in direct contact with the job from the very start of a project. They should know what it is about their images that makes them live and 'work' and fulfil the client's brief. They should also have a very good understanding of what compromises to make following conversion from RGB to CMYK, so as to achieve the best end result. After all, their whole working lives have been spent in working with seeing and working with colour and with various print process.

Why the heck should some possibly uncaring operative in a printer's pre-press department be so much better placed to make a good separation I wonder; especially as they may well be ignoring profiles and be working on a worn out, unprofiled monitors in poor working conditions, with not a hope-in-hell of seeing the photographer's RGB files as intended. Obviously this is not so likely in a decent pre-press company, but then we are still left with the question of what conversion, for what conditions and where etc. Strikes me they are in exactly the same boat as the photographer on that score but with perhaps more experience but less 'connection' with the job!

IMO it's perfectly feasible for any photographer serious about their work, and committed to the task of carrying out CMYK conversions, to equip themselves with all that's necessary for the task.....rip/printer/proofing booth/spectro. and the necessary working knowledge.

I totally support the view that photographers who want to carry out their own conversions should get out onto the print shop floor, and get a good understanding of what goes on there. It's also a good education to see jobs through from start to finish, including signing off on the pass sheets, and being involved in the decisions leading up to that point. I started doing this over twenty-five years ago, and would not have any hesitation in pulling the plates on a job if I felt that the results were not going to happen.

Cheers

Richard

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Richard Kenward      www.precision-drum-scanning.co.uk  +44(0)1873 890767


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