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Re: Who does the seperations? (Re: Profile Names and othersuggestions)
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Re: Who does the seperations? (Re: Profile Names and othersuggestions)


  • Subject: Re: Who does the seperations? (Re: Profile Names and othersuggestions)
  • From: "john castronovo" <email@hidden>
  • Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 03:18:57 -0500

I think that with direct to plate, the skilled pressman is going the way of the typesetter, the board artist and the photo lab technician. That in no way diminishes their hard earned skills and worth to produce an excellent product, but it's the reality of our times. Like the others, there is no reason why these skills will not be lost, and not only to photographers but to their customers as well. I was setting type, making halftone screened negs, burning plates and running my fathers offset press when I was fifteen back in the sixties and I also learned to make dye transfer prints from continuous toned separation negatives in his lab. None of that matters now because the marketplace doesn't value it.

I hear photographers say all the time that all they want from the photo lab is a dumb machine that will reproduce their files the same way every time. We think that's insane, but that's what the world wants from printers as well - a dumb press, without attitude, that maintains its own calibration and is smart enough to analyze and adjust for the images it's printing. Just send it a profiled image or pdf, put in the paper and collect the copies. We're not there yet, but that's what people want and will pay for so that's the way technology will unfold to make it happen and it will function "well enough" over ninety percent of the time. Marketing and economics trump common sense and quality needs every time.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Orpen"
We're talking about real pre-press skills and jobs being lost and you try and make out that it's simply the case that one party isn't up to doing the job swap?

The problem here is that photographers are quite prepared to carry out work that they are ill-equipped to do.

And so are printers.

Pre-press was once a profession in its own right. Now it's little more than a photographer's quest for the perfect profile and few extra dollars and something that the printer can take or leave because they still own the most expensive bit of kit in the production chain.

Where are all these pre-press people? There's hardly anybody on this list who has earned a living creating separations, film and contract proofs. Just a bunch of photographers, consultants and software salesmen - all with a lot to say about pre-press despite having no experience of the industry whatsoever.

Again I'll submit that I cannot understand you can gain the necessary skills without either experience in the industry (as it was) or without a huge investment in proofing kit and control equipment.

Most of us learn by experimenting and making mistakes. Is that sort of thing done on press now?


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