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Re: Who makes the separations?
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Re: Who makes the separations?


  • Subject: Re: Who makes the separations?
  • From: Karsten Krüger <email@hidden>
  • Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:06:31 +0100

Thanks for this discussion thread. The more I read, the more it gets clear that communication is about everything.

Let me try to summarize:

We face several situations:

Photographers who either
- want to have control over how the final piece looks like
- don't care too much (because of time, financial or knowledge constrains)


Prepress people who either
- know how to handle profiles and project communication
- don't care too much (because of time, financial or knowledge constrains)


Printers who either
- know how to handle profiles and project communication and keep their production well colormanged.
- don't care too much (because of time, financial or knowledge constrains)


The customer who places the order:
- usually does not know too much on technical requirements and details

Depending on where you are in production chain you need to know who your partners are and how they do their job. Whenever you hit a "don't care too much" responsibilities start to shift:


A photographer,
who cares about output, needs either an experienced partner or has to know how to do ICC profile based separations to **industry standards** like ISOcoated, ISOnewspaper etc. He has to have a color managed environment and a proofing device to be able to pass on a real world evidence of how his work has to look like. Depending on project requirements (did I mention communication) he delivers RGB or CMYK - and a printed reference.


The least thing a photographer has to learn is that output abilities define the quality of his work (for other people). There is no transparency film to pass on as a neutral reference in a digital world. The only time his work can be judged upon is after being processed by other people. He has to understand the needs and abilities of these "other people". When hitting "don't care so much" he has to decide to either accept, educate or avoid those partners. If a photographer is not able to detect a "don't care so much" all his output will be a surprise to him.


For prepress and printers
the news is that they have to include the photographer into their communication. In analog time they had the transparency film as a reference. There was no need to talk to the photographer. But that film doesn't exist in digital world anymore. So they need to know more about how to interpret the data being delivered from a photographer in order to get best results.


Prepress and printer have to understand the needs and abilities of a photographer. When hitting a "don't care so much" they have to decide to either accept, educate or avoid those photographers. If they are not able to detect a "don't care so much" all output will be a surprise.


The customer who places the order
can be the biggest challenge. For best results try to get the names of who is doing what in the whole project. If that is not possible, try to understand how the final product will be printed and settle for the appropriate established standard like ISOcoated, ISOnewspaper etc. If that is not possible (because of multiple outputs or customers inability) go for an established RGB color space like LStarRGB, ECIrgb etc. which is suitable for most print productions.


Make it hard for others not to notice which color space your images use. Put the color space into your contract with the customer to avoid discussions later. Attach the corresponding ICC profile to each image being delivered. Put the ICC profile as a separate file into the same folder where your images are and and an additional copy into the root directory. Write the name of the ICC profile onto the CD-ROM you deliver.


Bottom line:
There is no fixed rule on who should do the separation. It depends on project requirements and the people involved. There is only one responsibility: know the process for a project, know your partners and do an educated decision. And be patient. Digital photography is a new challenge in print production. Nobody knows everything. Forgive those who make mistakes the first time and try to communicate and educate your partner. You will benefit on the next job.



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