InDesign 2 CMS...
InDesign 2 CMS...
- Subject: InDesign 2 CMS...
- From: J Richter <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:08:07 -0400
I too am a bit aggravated by the lack of simplicity of InDesign in the CMS approach. It should be as simple as the Photoshop print menu, no?
I am printing to an older Epson 3000 direct from my Mac OSX.4.6 via ethernet, and I'm pretty sure that my InDesign option is limited to the current active printer selected, it defaults without options to Composite RBG [as the Epson is an RGB (CMYK internally) printer and the driver tells InDesign this.] It does change when I change printers before sending a file to print. My Postscript laser comes up with a different set of options. I would extrapolate that if I had a RIP set up as a printer, then that RIP's driver would reflect <probably> a CMYK device. The bother of it is that although my files are created in CMYK, with process or Pantone values, there is no facility to change the printer's options. Any spot colors I have must be converted to process [in general] or they print black. I don't know but assume that the internal conversion adheres to Pantone's Bridge formula - the final output from Photoshop sampled with the eyedropper confirms this.
So far the only consistent output I have been able to get from Acrobat 7, Illustrator CS2 and InDesign CS2 is to export as PS and distill, raster resulting PDF files in Photoshop and print from there, with the appropriate paper profile selected, turning printer driver CMS off and letting Photoshop do the color mods. This is basically a very limited RIP Process in the purest definition, but at least it is consistent.
With InDesign and Quark, all placed/linked images would be the same profile in an ideal world, but the sources vary and as I work with provided-as-is files, there is no consistency of input. I could go and change it, but that seems irrelevant to any of the offset printers I use, as they would scrap any embedded profiles and replace them with their own for their specific presses. Then that becomes time wasted.
Adobe's Bridge to sync color across their applications does not seem to work either, and I'm quite sure I set it up correctly, at least according to their instructions, and when I check the status in Bridge, it says all color is synced.
I have a calibrated Sony 534 LCD and am generally not too worried about softproofing, as most of my work is specific Pantone values. Sure I can see if something is a bit off on screen, but the numbers are the numbers... my clients want to ensure the numbers are correct and they generally do the pre-press approvals when dealing with their preferred printers.
So as a newbie in this color management pool, I'm doing my darndest to figure it out and get the Quark and Adobe CMS setup for consistent output [without a RIP] and this Photoshop routine is the only thing working so far. I'll try out some RIP software, but at present I have to either find that which can still print to my trusty Epson 3000 or upgrade to a more "current" printer. The budget is limited.
I have not been getting satisfactory results from printing with the OSX RIP/Gutenprint driver - either because I "just don't get it" in terms of proper menu selection combinations - can anyone here make some recommendations? - or it is just not meant to print to the Epson 3000 with Epson Ink and Papers and Epson Profiles...
You're not alone...
Jurgen Richter
> -snip-
I agree that it is definitely not SWOP. Somebody in the Adobe
InDesign forum suggested that the CMYK space might be 'Photoshop 5
Default CMYK', so I tried every possible transform from my monitor
RGB to that with no luck. One interesting thing I've noticed is that
the CMYK that comes out of InDesign has a TAC of 260, which DOES seem
to correlate with 'Photoshop 5 Default CMYK'. I also tried 'Photoshop
4 Default CMYK' and 'Generic CMYK', but those didn't work either.
I don't understand why InDesign can't REALLY turn of CMS. In other
words, if you placed an RGB image, the only output option would be
'Composite RGB'. Why offer a completely mysterious CMYK transform
that can't be emulated anywhere else?
-Todd
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