Re: printing color targets in InDesign CS3
Re: printing color targets in InDesign CS3
- Subject: Re: printing color targets in InDesign CS3
- From: eric <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 01:46:54 +0000
- Thread-topic: printing color targets in InDesign CS3
Roger
On 13/11/07 01:13, "Roger Breton" <email@hidden> wrote:
> Eric,
>
>> It seems that InDesign CS3 is naughty and produces dark prints using a
>> custom printer profile created with Photoshop CS3.
>
> "Custom printer profile created with Photoshop CS3"?
I built two profiles for 2 people who printed the targets TC.918 targets out
in Photoshop. The profiles I built work fine in Photoshop. Then they used
them in InDesign. In InDesign the images print out dark. I was surprised by
this but I don't deal with InDesign anymore on a personal level. So I
googled the problem and the Adobe User to User InDesign Forum had several
threads on this including the contributions of one Dov Isaacs (as I
remember) who is a member of the InDesign programming team. Nothing about
pre-ICC Photoshop 5.
snip
>> The recommendation I've read is to produce a new profile made from InDesign.
>
> "A new profile *made* from InDesign"? Please excuse my ignorance but is
> there such a thing as some facilities within InDesign?
My question was about how to print out the 918 colour targets without
applying a color space to them. It was suggested at the Adobe forum
mentioned above that one could print the targets out through InDesign and
create a profile which wouldn't result in a "dark" print relative to the
image when printed in Photoshop and BTW the image as presented in the
soft-proof view of InDesign
>> I'm having problems figuring out how to print out the untagged colour
>> targets. I'm pretty confused having just re-read Real World Color Management
>> on the subject.
>
> I think both Doyle and Marco's comments apply to your situation. You have
> the choice of printing with CMS=off, the way InDesign up to v2 used to print
> or, the more "modern" way, with CMS=on but make sure to "Leave color
> unchanged" in the print dialog box.
Yes though it seems the options Marco mentions is for a CMYK profile and as
I mentioned initially this is for an inkjet. I suppose I should have been
more specific and said an RGB (Driver driven not RIP driven) inkjet printer.
>
>> There doesn't seem to be a way to turn off color management in
>> InDesign!!???!!! I'm not getting an option to "let the printer handle color
>> management" in the print dialogue either. RWCM says that InDesign converts
>> any untagged image to the document's colour space. So how to turn that off?
>
> As a rule, when the Document profile = Printer profile then no conversion
> will take place for any placed untagged elements and native CMYK elements.
>
I'm not sure what you're getting at.
>> If I go into Color Settings in ID CS3 the only option that has OFF in it is
>> to go into the Color Management Policies and choose for RGB:OFF (I'm making
>> a profile for an inkjet).
>
> So you are printing to an inkjet printer? Most likely in RGB mode?
> Unknowingly getting an CMYK to RGB and again from RGB to CMYK conversion on
> your way to the printer.
Again I'm not sure what you're getting at. Maybe I'm being naïve but I'm
hoping to print out untagged tif colour targets through a non-colour managed
workflow so I can build a profile. Doyle's solution seems to be straight
forward even if Adobe's terminology is obtuse (well IMO).
>
> Now, there is a lingering printing issue that sets InDesign apart from both
> Photoshop and Illustrator is this RGB printing mode. The conversion just
> does not happen the same way.
The thread I pointed to in my initial post documents Adobe denying this and
then in the face of the evidence admit that something is not working as it
should.
>So, Eric, you want to print to your RGB inkjet
> printer from InDesign?
No, I want to build two profiles for 2 chaps who do.
>You're going to have to accept that the color output
> will not be the same -- alas.
I can't say that you're wrong, only that I read the forum posts of several
people who said that building a profile through InDesign allowed them to
soft-proof and print an image through InDesign in such a way that the output
was consistent with the images they were producing through Photoshop CS3.
Not by using the same profile but by using a different profile produing the
same results.
> The way InDesign writes the printer driver in
> RGB is not the same as the way Photoshop and Illustrator do it. Not the
> same. Period. And the InDesign's engineers are not in a hurry to rectify
> that -- no more than they are in a hurry to offer native Device Link
> Profiles support in Photoshop or add a simple LCh readout in Photoshop's
> Info palette :( We can wait until the cows come home!
Thanks
Eric
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