Re: PS CMYK Conversions
Re: PS CMYK Conversions
- Subject: Re: PS CMYK Conversions
- From: "edmund ronald" <email@hidden>
- Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:06:49 +0200
When I took my first course on color management, the other guys there
were printers.
At the end of the course they turned round and said "Well, that's
nice, but now we need to find a reason to tell the client why we can't
give him our profiles".
Edmund
On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 9:53 PM, Busher Jr Richard C
<email@hidden> wrote:
>> In a message dated 8/15/08 8:50 AM, Mike Strickler wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe we should also discuss when, where and by whom this work should
>>> be done, and why so many printers are still asking for CMYK images
>>> from their customers...
>>
>>
>
> I have worked with a few small print shops that do not have the experience
> to provide cmyk seps, nor the equipment to provide color managed proofs or
> even "internally color managed" proofs. They must have cmyk files and color
> managed proofs to get anything reasonable as output.
>
> And many print shops that do have those capabilities find that the customers
> are not willing to pay for those services anymore. The customers think they
> can do it themselves, for free! However, the printers are often supplied
> with a mix of rgb tiffs, rgb jpgs, cmyk files with or without tags and
> converted for who knows what output device; plus proofs generated god knows
> how! And again, the customer does not want to pay to fix it when it is
> pointed out that the files are inappropriate.
>
> Case in point: A client was recently referred to me by a mutual friend. The
> client, a photographer/architect/artist had created a suite of unique
> images, and all of the color in these images were out of gamut for the Epson
> 78/9800 inkset on gloss coated papers. That means, of course, that they were
> even more out of gamut for just about any offset press output.
>
> I produced a very nice print for the client (not perfect - the colors are
> out of gamut remember) using my workflow: rgb edits > cmyk conversion with
> custom cmyk profile for my Epson > cmyk edits > print via ColorBurst RIP.
> Client is delighted.
>
> The client nows wants to publish a book of these images, but "does not have
> the budget" to pay me for prepress, even when I quoted the "starving artist"
> price. The graphic designer has volunteered to do the separations as part of
> the design package, and to provide proofs for printing. I've spent several
> hours trying to explain how the process should work, and the difficulties of
> dealing with out of gamut images even with perfect profiles. I've explained
> that very few graphic designers, to my knowledge, have the necessary
> prepress skill sets to produce the desired results. However, my gut tells me
> is it impossible for the client to retain me. The client will just have to
> hope for the best. Of course, it is possible that the designer possesses the
> skill sets to do a wonderful job. I suspect that there are a few out there
> that do have those skills. After all, I've taught myself some of these
> skills and have produced some very nice books, and I have had no formal
> prepress training.
>
> Final thoughts on this topic: Most print clients want the best, have no idea
> of the process required to obtain the best, but think it should be easy.
> They have been influenced by the evolution of digital cameras,
> print-on-demand, the internet, etc. Everything should be as easy as pushing
> a button, and it should be practically free. It is becoming increasingly
> more difficult to make a go of it supplying a quality product in this age of
> Walmart and amazon. Ask your local bookstore!
>
> Dick Busher
> Cosgrove Editions
> 7042 20th Place NE
> Seattle, WA 98115
> 206-524-6726
> 888-507-7375
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