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Re: Photoshop Gamut warning vs ColorThink
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Re: Photoshop Gamut warning vs ColorThink


  • Subject: Re: Photoshop Gamut warning vs ColorThink
  • From: "dpascale" <email@hidden>
  • Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:11:53 -0500

Mark,

I did a comparison of the Photoshop gamut warning vs Argyll xicclu utility. In essence, the Argyll utility flags all clippings with a DeltaE number.

The comparison shows that the Photoshop warning kicks in between 5 and 8 Delta-E, as determined by xicclu, depending on colors. Please note that the xicclu values are not to be considered as references at this moment, but they are "hard" numbers used for comparison. This test was done for one particular printer profile, with Abs-Col Rendering Intent. These values are in line with your 5 Delta-E assesment, but they extend it in a region where I feel uneasy.

What I need to do next is a detailed comparison between the Photoshop clipping flag, the Argyll xicclu values, and what is measured. So, at the moment, I cannot say which one (Photoshop or xicclu) is closer to "reality" (on average!), with reality being the printed result, which needs to be done with a fresh calibration, controlled conditions, etc.

Danny

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark McCormick-Goodhart" <email@hidden>
To: <email@hidden>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: Photoshop Gamut warning vs ColorThink




Chris, you have convinced me. After trying to figure out the best way to describe the Gamut warning tool, I have reconsidered, and conclude "gamut warning" is indeed an apt description of this feature. For those who prefer "clipping limit" that seems like a good description, too. I still believe that the Gamut warning is apparently being calculated on the basis of about 5dE between the source color (ie., the color after all image edits, profile mapping intents, and BPC have been applied) and the predicted output color. Chris, or someone at Adobe, I'd very much appreciate a better understanding of how gamut warning calculates the comparison if you think I'm wrong about my 5dE assessment of this tool's clipping limit criterion.


With all due respect to those who don't find gamut warning overlays useful in light of their ability to visualize print output via softproofing, I agree with Chris that the gamut warning is more useful today than ever. Why? Because many folks are moving to larger and larger working spaces. Prophoto seems to be getting recommended to photographers a lot, lately. Because no monitor exists that can display the wide gamut of such a working space and worse yet, some colors are imaginary, I find it very useful to have an overlay that guides me to the color clipping transition of the printer output rather than the apparent clipping that is being caused by the monitor profile. That said, I even find it instructive to teach students about the monitor or working space color gamut by taking the AaI_LAB_HueSlice_Image.psd target I described in an earlier post and choosing the appropriate working colorspace or monitor profiles to examine. Because this LAB image file is in fact an image that can throw the whole LAB encoded colorspace at the output device, it is also helpful to evaluate how and where the "secret sauce" of perceptual mapping intents quit attempting to compress colors after a given chroma value is reached. Gamut warning very nicely locates that transition. Softproofing alone may or may not reveal them depending on the confounded aspects of rendering to a gamut constrained monitor.

Chris Cox wrote:

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Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:03:07 -0800
From: Chris Cox <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: Photoshop Gamut warning vs ColorThink
To: Andrew Rodney <email@hidden>,
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It tells you what parts of your image are out of gamut.
Otherwise, how would you know what parts of the image need to be  brought
into gamut?

A proof setup tells you how the image will look, but unless you have a
really good display AND really good eyes, you aren't likely to tell which
areas have been clipped.


The gamut warning is probably more useful today than when it was first
implemented - now we have more accurate color transforms, and more accurate
color data.

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