Re: Can you profile through laminate?
Re: Can you profile through laminate?
- Subject: Re: Can you profile through laminate?
- From: Jon Crook <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:55:55 -0500
- Thread-topic: Can you profile through laminate?
Robert-
Here is a well kept secret in the world of matte lamination.
GBC BOPP Scuff Free 1.4M Polypropalene Matte
This film performs like a 1.7M but has unbelievable clairity. Not milky at
all. You cant tell there is lamination on it. This will solve some of your
profiling issues with matte or at least improve the problem with gamut
clipping that occurs with other matte films.
--
Jonathan Crook
Director of Color Management
Corporate Image
www.corp-image.com
800.247.8194
On 7/29/08 8:35 AM, "Robert Rock" <email@hidden> wrote:
> Jim,
> I am in the printing business and created profiles for my clients that use
> matte lamination on all their book covers. All of our printing is done
> overseas (primarily China and Korea) so it was something that I had to do,
> as the printers were not cooperative.
>
> I did not profile the gloss lamination because we felt the greatest
> difference in color appeared with the matte lamination. The gloss lam
> generally gave more intense and saturated appearance which the clients
> didn't seem to mind, and the slight bluish cast (or in our case a slightly
> yellowish cast) did not seem to bother them. But the matte lam was a huge
> problem...many colors changed completely. A maroon background, for example,
> might become a brown color. Our clients designers were having a fit!
>
> I used Monaco Profiler 4.8, with XRite DTP70 scanner. The problem you are
> going to encounter are two-fold. First of all, depending on the thickness of
> the substrate with the lamination, it may cause feeding problems, unless you
> plan to scan manually. Secondly, you need to be aware of the science behind
> light coming through matte lamination. If you take a matte laminated cover
> and turn it at different angles while you look at it, you will see that the
> colors will vary...some significantly, others not so much. That's because
> the light is being scattered as it passes back out through the lamination to
> your eyes, or to the scanner head. Just as the colors will appear different
> as you tilt the cover at different angles, the reading from the scanner will
> also vary. I scanned the same sheet several times and got slightly different
> readings each time. So, this is not a perfect solution, but my profiles DID
> greatly improve color generally speaking. There are some colors that will be
> impossible to match after matte lamination, but generally most matches will
> be improved.
>
> I am VERY interested to hear more about your progress, as I am still
> involved in this on an ongoing basis. Stay in touch.
>
> Bob Rock
> P. Chan & Edward, Inc.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: colorsync-users-bounces+bobrock=email@hidden
> [mailto:colorsync-users-bounces+bobrock=email@hidden] On
> Behalf Of Jim Mowreader
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:19 AM
> To: email@hidden
> Subject: Can you profile through laminate?
>
> We laminate everything we print, and the laminates we use have a cyan cast
> to them.
>
> We are considering profiling our printers to not only media, but also
> laminate, so each
> printer would have four profiles: MACtac 5529 (high-performance gloss vinyl)
> with both
> glossy and flat lams, and MACtac 5828 (intermediate matte vinyl) with both
> glossy
> and flat lams. This would double the amount of work in building and
> maintaining profiles,
> but if it's possible it would be worth it to us.
>
> So...has anyone here attempted to profile laminated material, and how did it
> work for you?
>
> --Jim
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Jonathan Crook
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Corporate Image
www.corp-image.com
800.247.8194
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