Re: "Non-linear"?
Re: "Non-linear"?
- Subject: Re: "Non-linear"?
- From: Mo <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:13:27 -0700
Please specify "repurpose".
As far as I know, "repurposing" means tailoring an image file to a
given end
use. By definition, the myriad variations of that task do *not*
demand that
we use exclusively *one* particular source color space.
A lot of times in the cycle of art creation in the commercial sector
- it's nothing more then a compilation of scattered changes by many
people pulling a project in different directions during the actual
production cycle. It's not uncommon for some firms to continue to make
adjustments to images after the fact of final approval during a large
campaign. Also, it's not uncommon that a client says, oh by the way,
we need images for the web as well as large format output for bus
shelters as an example. This is AFTER the fact that the image or ads
are already prepped for a specific media destination.
So what you are telling me is that taking the existing compressed
color space for one output is acceptable for another? Well, I guess I
can't argue with you if you are willing to accept less then optimal
files and have a low expectation of the outcome. You also must
understand that most people couldn't care less about file management,
process control or color management, but they know what they like and
don't like when they see it. Because of where the industry is going
and everyone is now a professional with software in hand, lots of
mistakes happen and expecting all users to have a common understanding
of what is required for their success is asking far too much. Assuming
they will either learn or learn the hard way is really a selfish /
self centered approach to having better art. People need a road map
to success and the current implementation of color management has had
little success in trying to accomplish better art and educating users.
Also, assuming that people will take ownership of files when the
stakes are high is often faced with finger pointing and the software
does no help to accomplish unsolving the mystery of where an error
occurred.
The big problem in a production environment is knowing where the
files
came from and where are they going to.
Identifying the most appropriate source profile for the image is a
step
separate from "repurposing": before we repurpose an image, we must
find out
what it's supposed to look like -- meaning, which color profile most
appropriately describes the appearance of its color numbers.
I completely disagree. Repurposing files is what Adobe sells as their
crown jewel of an RGB workflow, but it has fell flat on its face to be
honest and I have the dents in my helmut to prove it. To repurpose
files you SHOULD have a larger bit as well as a larger gamut file to
start with so you CAN have the option if you want to clip, compress or
re assign an image to some other output. Besides that, a lot of the
work I do - I have no friggen clue as to what the client wants, has
given me, or what they want back. It's a discovery process for both
service provider and art director and if I start with crap, it can
only get worse from there. There is no current assurance if the
profile represents the numbers or the appearance from when it was last
captured or converted.
"Better" at what, Mike? It seems to me that Karsten's reply is the
right one
(to quote: "Either the color space the image is in when you receive
the
file, or the destination color space that fits your customer's
requests.")
SEEMS? Again, the acceptance of old school thinking is just apauling
to me here on this forum. Let's just all guess at what the hell to do
with an image. That's progress intelligently planned for sure.
What feature(s) in the working space are you looking for, exactly?
In your
message it's clear what you *do not* want, and wish to avoid, but
what is it
that you *do* want from your color space?
I need color assurance of a color space so I can do my job better.
People need better tools to create better art. It's not color science
guys, it's common sense that is lacking in users as well as the
current technology of the implementation of color manglement.
mo
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