VANFU and "Within The Stone" [was: Images for print]
VANFU and "Within The Stone" [was: Images for print]
- Subject: VANFU and "Within The Stone" [was: Images for print]
- From: Marco Ugolini <email@hidden>
- Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:18:02 -0700
- Thread-topic: VANFU and "Within The Stone" [was: Images for print]
In a message dated 10/11/08 9:20 AM, Roger Breton wrote:
>> The results in Bill's book are undeniably more brilliant and saturated
>> than the best standard sheetfed output.
>
> Have you purchased a copy, btw?
No, but I've leafed through it more than once. I should buy it, though.
> Not to sound contrarian but I would have like to see what the output of a
> good Fogra39L press would have been, side by side. I tend to think that the
> comparison would not have suffered all that much. But I can't really talk
> because I have not purchased a copy of the book, in all honesty.
One would need either the spectral measurements or the color profile of the
VANFU output from Bill in order to evaluate that hypothesis.
>> I have not yet been able to see that kind of information anywhere
>> regarding Bill's book.
>
> Me neither, why? Clearly, the current PDF does not paint a complete picture.
I don't suspect any ill intention. Bill has always been very generous about
freely sharing his knowledge, expertise and tools.
> Clearly, to my knowledge, no one in any company in the world would allow
> calibrating a printing presses for everyday, commercial work at these
> supposedly StatusT levels of ink densities.
But, aside from any other factors, wouldn't those density tolerances
increase just by using a substrate that can hold them?
> That's why I am a little skeptical at a combination of 2.03C, 1.85M, 1.56Y,
> 2.24K in StatusT (as compared to "SWOP"). And, apparently, that's how this
> Japanese printer has been operating eversince. How silly? StatusG, perhaps,
> but not StatusT. Can't compare apple with oranges.
What if it *is* StatusT though? I wouldn't rule it out so quickly, just
based on how unbelievable it *seems* in the print environments that we know.
> I call that an omission on the part of the author. Unless, the PDF was
> destined to wow uninformed readers.
If anything, the PDF may be less impressive than the book. So, I doubt that
it was meant to impress, also given its relatively small circulation.
>> Also, the subject matter is abstract enough that there are no "memory
>> colors" involved (skin tones, skies, grass, etc.). So there is really
>> no way to be "wrong" in the results, and one can let the chips fall where
>> they may.
>
> Depends. Suppose I'm the next client at this Japanese printer and I agree to
> use the author's custom profile for my separations. Would I accept turning
> my job over to the printer without some kind of assurance prior to running
> the job what to expect the color to look like? I don't think we're there
> yet. That's like handing anyone a blank check : you write the amount while I
> sign blindly at the bottom. Sounds like the present worldwide financial
> crisis...
We now have displays (like HP's DreamColor) that have a wider gamut than
that of even the best inkjet printers, and possibly large enough to
encompass VANFU's output as well. So, the print output could just be
soft-proofed (with no need for hardcopy proofs). That's what places like
Time magazine have already been doing routinely for several years.
Take care.
Marco Ugolini
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