Re: maclife.de
Re: maclife.de
- Subject: Re: maclife.de
- From: MARK SEGAL <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 07:04:35 -0700 (PDT)
Uli,
Re your first paragraph, yes it is. You can disagree with Andrew's argument without passing any judgment on the relative competence of other people, regardless of how far superior YOU think your approach to camera profiling is over theirs. And in any case, I don't think Andrew was putting up "authority" arguments. I interpreted his comments to mean that while you have one set of views about how this technology should be approached, there are at least equally qualified other people working in or with Adobe who have different ideas - which seem to be well accepted in most of the marketplace. Within the confines of what you did, I have no reason and no basis to dispute your test observations, but it stops there. In dealing with matters this multi-dimensional, once one drills down through the whys and wherefores of the various alternatives for achieving certain objectives (which latter may also well differ between different approaches), one often
discovers that there are good and valid reasons underpinning each of them. "Sub-par" is often an irrelevant metric at the end of the day, and proof of concept depends on more than who says what, which I hope you would agree applies both to you and the others.
I really don't think whether or not you like Adobe and Microsoft matters one iota in a discussion about the technical merits of one profiling solution relative to another. Whatever they are doing, it's an open, global intellectual marketplace for innovation and invention, and in the long term (which gets shorter and shorter in thie field), regardless of any contemporary market predominance, better ideas normally prevail. In fact, both companies are always on the look-out to buy, refine and implement concepts developed by others which they think add value to their products. Neither of these companies got to where they are because they lack the intellectual, commercial and managerial skills to do so. And to posture that people working for these companies are somehow lacking in "smartness" because YOU don't like how these companies operate is just ludicrous. I can't accept the notion that some of the finest minds in the industry are guilty by
association because they work with the institutions which bring their creativity to tens of millions of largely satisfied users.
Finally, we should be clear about some terms here: "proprietary vs standardized" is a false dichotomy, in the sense that - again for reasons you may not like, we have examples of things that are both proprietary and standardized because the owner of the intellectual property has a large enough market share to both establish standards and convince enough people to adopt them as such. Situations like this are normally not durable over long periods of time. They are the result of innovative companies and individuals creating or identifying a need and a niche in which they dominate the market - for a while. Such situations come and go, and I won't waste peoples' bandwidth here explaining the economic history of how that happens. If you meant "proprietary" versus "open source" that is another matter, a valid dichotomy and a relevant underlying element of this discussion.
Mark
----- Original Message ----
From: Uli Zappe <email@hidden>
To: Mark Segal <email@hidden>
Cc: Terence Wyse <email@hidden>; 'colorsync-users?lists.apple.com' List <email@hidden>
Sent: Wednesday, September 3, 2008 6:23:01 AM
Subject: Re: maclife.de
Am 03.09.2008 um 03:59 schrieb Mark Segal:
> Uli Zappe's statement from this afternoon:
>
> "Looking at Adobe apps, I have my doubts about the smartness of
> their engineers - "
>
> To me, that's a smear.
So if someone is presented to you as an intellectual authority so
strong that his take on a topic overrides your own research results by
default, whereas you consider the actual products this person has
created to be of sub-par quality in several respects, and therefore
express your doubt that he's really the authority you are told to
believe he is, that's a smear?
That sounds strange to me, but maybe that's a cultural or language
kind of issue, or maybe I got carried away at that point in a way that
I shouldn't have. The reason for my reaction was twofold, in any case.
First, I reacted to an "authority" type argument by Andrew, as I
consider this type of argument irrational and therefore strongly
dislike it. And second, I strongly dislike the behavior of Adobe as a
company, which from my POV has largely taken over the former role of
Microsoft as the behemoth that tends to suffocate progress, albeit in
a more defined area. It depends on your concept of "smartness" whether
you think that a "smart" person can possibly work in such a company;
in a narrow sense of purely technical "smartness", that's most
probably the case. But I would not accept such a person as an
authority, in particular, I wouldn't accept such a person as an
authority on the topic of proprietary vs. standardized technology,
which is what this discussion was partly about.
"smart engineers" was Andrew's words that I just took up. Probably I
should have used my own words instead, simply writing that I would not
acknowledge someone working at Adobe as an authority on this topic.
Bye
Uli
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