RE: HP Dreamcolor Display: So far, so good.
RE: HP Dreamcolor Display: So far, so good.
- Subject: RE: HP Dreamcolor Display: So far, so good.
- From: Michael Chmilar <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:40:41 -0700 (PDT)
Hi Andrew,
I received a Dreamcolor Display and the APS kit for it, yesterday. I am using it on a Mac, but neither product came with any Mac software enclosed. So far, I have not been able to get the calibration sensor to work. This is what I know, so far:
1) The sensor appears in Apple's "System Profiler" as "Eye-one display".
2) I downloaded and installed HP_APS_v132.dmg, but it does not discover the sensor.
3) I tried running X-Rite's "Eye-one Match", which also does not discover the sensor.
4) I also have an older Eye-one sensor, from three or four years ago, which functions correctly with Eye-one Match (but I am aware that this old sensor does not have the correct color filters to use on the Dreamcolor display).
So, I am looking for information on how to get the system running on my Mac. Any pointers you can provide will be helpful.
thanks,
Mike
--- On Thu, 9/25/08, Page, Andrew F (IPG - Palo Alto) <email@hidden> wrote:
From: Page, Andrew F (IPG - Palo Alto) <email@hidden>
Subject: RE: HP Dreamcolor Display: So far, so good.
To: "dpascale" <email@hidden>, "'colorsync users lists.apple.co'" <email@hidden>, "Rick Hatmaker" <email@hidden>
Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 8:39 AM
The printer and display "APS's" are two separate products for now.
Yes it would be nice if one worked with the other, and yes we are aware of that.
The APS for the Display is the:
HP DreamColor Advanced Profiling Solution KZ300AA
Price: ~$350
Quick Summary: Primarily provides the ability to profile and calibrate the
lp2480zx display, update calibration in formation in the display and create
users specific color modes (white point, luminance, etc.)
The APS for the Z series printers is the:
HP Advanced Profiling Solution Q6695A
Price: ~$799 (comes included with Z3200ps printers)
Quick Summary: Primarily the APS enables you to make better ICC printer
profiles with the spectrophotometer built into the Designjet Z series of
printers. The APS provides a choice of targets, gray generation, etc. You can
also, with a little work, create ICC profiles for other printers with the APS.
The kit does include a "standard" Eye-One Display 2 which along with
being a display calibration tool also acts as the software activation dongle.
Hope this helps.
-Andrew Page
HP Designjet Proofing
-----Original Message-----
From: dpascale [mailto:email@hidden]
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 6:56 AM
To: Page, Andrew F (IPG - Palo Alto); 'colorsync users lists.apple.co';
Rick Hatmaker
Subject: Re: HP Dreamcolor Display: So far, so good.
Hello Andrew and Rick,
Concerning the
KZ300AA Advanced Profiling Solution (Calibration Kit)
Is it the same as the APS Kit available for the ZX100 printer series!
(Product number Q6695A-Intl or Q6701A-Asia)
I know the part number is not the same, and I know the price is not the same
(!), but these two kits have:
- the same name
- are both based on the i1-Display 2
- are both made for products sold under the "Dreamcolor" branding
(which
emphasizes color gamut among other things)
If these kits are not the same, is the ZX100 kit compatible with the
Dreamcolor display?
Thank-you,
Danny Pascale
email@hidden
www.babelcolor.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Page, Andrew F (IPG - Palo Alto)" <email@hidden>
To: "'colorsync users lists.apple.co'"
<email@hidden>
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 7:51 PM
Subject: FW: HP Dreamcolor Display: So far, so good.
> I'm one of the architects of DreamColor here at HP so let me provide a
bit
> more information on the display. Since I work mainly in the print side of
> the business please take these as my observations and not the official HP
> stance.
>
> Calibration & Profiling
> - The recommended way to calibrate and profile the display is with the HP
> Advanced Profiling Solution (APS) which has an Eye-One Display2 with
> filters and software tuned for the display (the SW works on Mac and
> Windows). As I mentioned to Bob this software will update the LUTs that
> are in the display. You can also create custom "color modes"
that you see
> in the on-screen display with the APS. More on that later
>
> - A spectral device will create high quality display profiles as well, but
> none of the tools currently talk with the display to update the LUTs so
> the calibration will need to be applied somewhere else
>
> - Existing colorimeters, like the Eye-One Display2, may not work as well
> as expected given the difference in the colors of the filters when
> compared to the display -- Please feel free to provide me your
> observations on this point
>
> - Time between calibration is looking to be in the multi-hundreds of hours
> based on the feedback from a few color critical customers; I'd
certainly
> be interested to hear what you learn
>
> Color Modes
> - You can select multiple color modes in the display: Full, Adobe RGB
> 1998, sRGB, Rec. 709 (HDTV), and a D-Cinema simulation. Selecting one of
> these will adjust the white point, color primary intensity, and luminance
> to simulate the setting. When you change color modes the operating system
> may or may not catch the change and reassign the ICC profiles to tools
> like Photoshop correctly so...
>
> - My recommendation on this, unless you are working with tools that are
> not ICC managed (video tools mainly) leave the display in its native/full
> mode and let the applications manage the colors.
>
> General use
> As someone noted the display makes the desktop look rather vivid. Vista
> and the Mac OS do not appear to color manage the desktop by default so the
> colors get displayed incorrectly, just the same as viewing sRGB image
> mis-tagged as Adobe RGB. If someone here knows how to enable color
> management for the desktop, please let me know.
>
> You can enable color management in Firefox by enabling the
> gfx.color_management.enabled flag in about:config to at least make it look
> a bit nicer. I'm not sure about Safari, IE or Opera.
>
> -Andrew Page
> HP Designjet Proofing
> 650.857.6823
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Rock [mailto:email@hidden]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 4:15 PM
> To: Page, Andrew F (IPG - Palo Alto)
> Cc: 'colorsync users lists.apple.co'
> Subject: RE: HP Dreamcolor Display: So far, so good.
>
> Andrew,
> Here you go: http://www.bobrock.com/colorsync/gamut_compare2.pdf
>
> The RED wire is the profile that shipped with the display, called
"Full
> Color Preset" as you requested.
> The GREEN wire is my personally generated profile.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> I'm at 6500 and 2.2 which is what I generally prefer and am used to. I
> adjusted the white points manually in ProfileMaker, using the manual RGB
> adjustments on the OSD Menu.
>
> I did not know about the point you make regarding the Eye-One, but as soon
> as the "customized" calibration package that HP/X-Rite have
partnered
> becomes available, I will get one. I have one on order with Rick Hatmaker
> at
> Chromix.
>
> Let me know if you need anything else.
>
> Regards,
> Bob Rock
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Page, Andrew F (IPG - Palo Alto) [mailto:email@hidden]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 6:58 PM
> To: Robert Rock
> Subject: RE: HP Dreamcolor Display: So far, so good.
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> I'm going to ask you for something a bit unorthodox here since I
don't
> happen to have a lp2480 on my desk at the moment. For curiosity sake could
> you re-draw your diagram and include the lp2480zx profile that ships with
> the display? I've attached it here so you don't need to dig for
it. Yes I
> know it's generic but since the panels are factory calibrated it's
not
> that
> far off reality, at least at full brightness; if you have the brightness
> turned down to something a bit more retina friendly then this might not
> work
> -- what brightness are you working at?
>
> I'm interested in this since the color filters that are in your
eye-One
> Display2 are not designed for the primaries that are in the DreamColor
> display, but for the reds greens and blues of a standard display. This
> difference will lead to a different color response when used on a 2480;
> I'm
> interested to see how big a difference there is in the in "real
world"
> operation rather than the lab.
>
> A spectrophotometer, like the Eye-One will not have this limitation and we
> have worked with X-Rite to create a version of the Eye-One Display2 that
> is
> designed for the lp2480, which we sell as the HP DreamColor advanced
> profiling system (APS). Along with the improved filters, the APS will plug
> the calibration information into the display so that when you switch modes
> the display will use the new information.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Andrew Page
> HP Designjet Proofing
> 650.857.6823
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: colorsync-users-bounces+andrew_page=email@hidden
> [mailto:colorsync-users-bounces+andrew_page=email@hidden] On
> Behalf Of Robert Rock
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 3:12 PM
> To: 'edmund ronald'
> Cc: ''colorsync-users?lists.apple.com' List'
> Subject: RE: HP Dreamcolor Display: So far, so good.
>
> Edmund,
> Yes, the profile was made with X-Rite ProfileMaker 5.0.8, using Eye-one
> Display2
>
> Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: edmund ronald [mailto:email@hidden]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 4:22 PM
> To: Robert Rock
> Cc: 'colorsync-users?lists.apple.com' List
> Subject: Re: HP Dreamcolor Display: So far, so good.
>
> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Robert Rock <email@hidden>
> wrote:
>> This might be of interest...I just created the following PDF image in
>> ColorThink:
>> http://www.bobrock.com/POTN/gamut compare.pdf
>>
>> ...shows a comparison of several color spaces:
>> The sRGB is represent by the RED wire frame.
>> My previous display, Dell 2405FPW, is represented by the GREEN frame.
>> AdobeRGB is represented by the PINK or MAGENTA frame.
>> And the HP Dreamcolor Display....drum roll please...is the BLUE
frame!!
>>
>> It speaks for itself.
>>
> Robert -
>
> Nice graph.
>
> Is this a measured profile ?
>
> Edmund
>
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