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Re: real world wide gamut monitor - HP LP2475w - calibration with Spyder3
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Re: real world wide gamut monitor - HP LP2475w - calibration with Spyder3


  • Subject: Re: real world wide gamut monitor - HP LP2475w - calibration with Spyder3
  • From: Steven Dobbelaere <email@hidden>
  • Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:33:29 +0100

Hi David. Thanks for your reply.
See in-line...


On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 12:39:40 -0500, C D Tobie wrote:
 HI Steven,

 Your results are fairly typical. Without, as you note, a lab-grade  
 device for comparison, its not a matter of determining accuracy, but  
 rather consistency and grouping. We find, comparing affordable  
 calibrators to a lab-standard, that the X-Rite devices tend to group  
 on one side or lab-standard device, and Spyder devices tend to group  
 on the other.

This tendency causes those who would like to do their  
 own comparison tests, but who don't have access to a lab-standard, to  
 use the most costly of their devices (typically an EyeOne Pro) as a  
 pseudo-standard, and thus assume that the X-Rite devices are more  
 accurate, then in fact they are just more consistent to one another.  
 This gets even messier when you consider that even two lab-standards  
 devices of different makes and models don't even agree as closely as  
 one would expect them to; producing whitepoints, for instance, that  
 might vary by 300 or 400 degrees.

> So if I correctly understand, X-Rite and Datacolor each used another model / brand
> of spectroradiometer device as reference during development for the filters used in the colorimeter?
> And this explains partly the difference I see between my profiles?

 The older Optix device (which is in rather a category by itself, as it  
 was not developed by Gretag, or by Datacolor) tended to beat out both  
 the Gretag (now X-Rite) colorimeters, and the Datacolor colorimeters,  
 on older displays, with more sRGB-sized gamuts. On newer wide gamut  
 displays, the Spyder3 often comes up with the best colorimeter-based  
 results, though this tends to vary with the particular wide gamut  
 display in question. I've also heard from a number of users that an  
 off-the-shelf Spyder3 does about as well (sometimes better) than an  
 EyeOne Display 2 that has been custom tuned to the wide gamut display  
 in question.

 Due to the favorable results on wider gamut screens with the Spyder3,  
 a number of wide gamut display and/or calibration software developers  
 have chosen to add support for it in their proprietary software, and a  
 few have even chosen to offer display bundles including it, while  
 others continue to bundle the Display2, though I am not aware of any  
 that still bundle the Huey.

> I wonder if a bundle also contains a reference icc profile for a specific set of settings?
> Could be usefull to track down issues with the colorimeter... ?

 So, messy as this may sound, for some aspects of calibration,  
 spectrophotometers usually do the best job, for other aspects, the  
 best of the colorimeters are preferable; and which colorimeter is  
 preferable for a given display depends on the particular display make  
 and model (and possibly other factors, such as phase of the moon).  
 There isn't even any guarantee that the device bundled with a  
 particular display will give the best results on that display. Sorry  
 if this doesn't offer a simple, clear answer, but no everything can  
 boil down to a single simple answer.

> Indeed, no simple answer here. At least I know now that what I experience is not abnormal...
> Thx!
>
> Steven

 C. David Tobie
 Global Product Technology Manager
 Digital Imaging & Home Theater
 email@hidden


 Datacolor
 www.datacolor.com/Spyder3



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