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Today's Topics:
1. Re: CS4, 10.6 and Epson 4880 (Nipat Paiboonponpong)
2. Re: CS4 (CS3 in my case), 10.6, Epson 4880 (4800 in my case)
(Rob Griffith)
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:38:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nipat Paiboonponpong <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: CS4, 10.6 and Epson 4880
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There has been an issue (NCA is not NCA) when you don't make your
particular Epson printer
as default printer.
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=13790
I thought this issue has died off, but it seems to stay.
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/369814?start=0&tstart=0
----- Original Message ----
From: Rob Griffith <email@hidden>
To: email@hidden
Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 8:50:36 PM
Subject: CS4, 10.6 and Epson 4880
I've noted posts about problems with printing profiling charts from
CS4 on this list before but never came across the problem myself
until today.
Everything worked perfectly with my R2400, even after the 10.6
upgrade I could use profiles made under 10.5 without a problem. I
never had any issue printing out charts from Photoshop CS4 and
didn't have any customers experiencing any problems either and since
I run a remote profiling service I get to do lots of RGB inkjet
profiles.
However, today I took delivery of an Epson 4880 and came to profile
it for the first time and the chart came out very dark and muddy. I
tried different media types in the driver in case that was the
issue. I found some stuff on the net about problems if the default
profile was different from factory default and tried that but
nothing worked. So the obvious thing to do was to try a print from
another application.
I chose Preview for ease, not really expecting to get a profile free
path but needing to convince myself that CS4 was the issue.
I set the Color Matching to Epson Color Controls and then selected
No Color Adjustment as normal. Printed the chart and it certainly
looked better. Built the profile and then went back to CS4 to print
a test image and it came out perfectly. Obviously there is a chance
that the print path from Preview still had a profile lurking there
somewhere and the same profile is active when I print from Photoshop
but I got a great result so it strikes me that printing from Preview
might be a usable workaround.
Regards
Rob Griffith
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:10:48 +0000
From: Rob Griffith <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: CS4 (CS3 in my case), 10.6, Epson 4880 (4800 in my case)
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Hi Mark
I'm afraid I don't have any more info yet. I'm hoping my post will
provoke some more discussion.
What really baffles me is how the prints can come out so dark when
trying a no colour management path from CS4. If colour management was
in fact still active either in CS4 or the driver and the charts were
printing out WITH a profile the result wouldn't be so bad.
It's as if the driver is being kicked into an entirely different mode
somehow, perhaps it's bypassing the built-in ink limiting,
linearisation etc associated with the media type and just chucking out
RAW output.
Regards
Rob Griffith
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Come and see EIZO, NEC & X-Rite
London, 24th November 2009
See our website for details:
www.nativedigital.co.uk
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On 30 Oct 2009, at 20:04, email@hidden wrote:
Rob,
Try printing using some of the paper manufacturer's profiles. If you
are
able to create your own profiles and this is a new printer for you
(ie, no
library of profiles for this printer) you are in a fortunate
position.
Until they fix the problem, whereupon you will have to make all new
profiles.
The problem is not only printing without color management but there
seems
to be some double color management going on when printing from Adobe
apps.
I have a 4800 that I have been using since they hit the market a few
years
ago, so I have a fair library of paper profiles for this printer and
I am
quite accustomed to how this printer prints when working correctly.
Everything from PS CS3 prints dark now. I have had to create a
transfer
curve to embed in each image for the time being. Everything printed
from
InDesign CS3 prints too light (without a transfer curve) by about
the same
amount. I haven't spent much time trying to figure out the InDesign
problem
since I don't need it often at home.
And as if that were not enough, I am also having problems with the
apparent
printed area size, where I print an image scaled in the print dialog
to say
a 9 x 6 inch image on an 11 x 8.5 sheet with the result that only
part of
the image prints. The rest is cropped. Sometimes. It seems if I
scale it so
the resulting resolution is a multiple or even fraction of the
native print
engine resolution of 720 ppi (360, 720, 1440) it does not happen.
Clearly the move to 10.6x triggered these problems, but I think it
is a
result of weaknesses in the driver that break. My opinion. Epson has
mixed
messages depending on who you talk to. I have deleted and
reinstalled all
epson drivers and other files several times, with no change in
results.
The 4000 series and 3800 printer drivers have not been rewritten for
10.6
as of yet, and I can't get any firm commitment from Epson about if
or when
that will happen.
I have posted some of this on the ColorSync list but no one seems to
have
anything to say about the dark printing aspect of the problem.
I too have tried changing default paper profile in the ColorSync
utility to
no avail.
I know 10.6.2 will have some ColorSync fixes in it but I have no
information about exactly what it will address.
Do you have any other info?
Mark Muse
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