Do I need to upgrade to i1Profiler?
Do I need to upgrade to i1Profiler?
- Subject: Do I need to upgrade to i1Profiler?
- From: "Millers' Photography L.L.C." <email@hidden>
- Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 13:07:22 -0700
And I thought I knew it all. NOT!
Normal workflow for my printer/ink/substrate is print the Atkinson 1728 patch target, and read it (after curing 48 hours) with i1 IPro ver "A", and "Measure Tool".
Then I let i1 Match 3.6.3 do the calculations.
Andrew says MT will not work with 10.7.x. (good reason never to upgrade)
So, how do I use ColorPort 2 to read my 1728 patch target and what does the calculations?
I have been reading and attempting to understand the ColorPort manual. I still don't get it.
Thank you all in advance for your HELP.
Cheers
MBP 17in, 10.6.7, PS CS5, dual monitors
Thank you for your prompt consideration and response.
Sincerely,
David B. Miller, Pharm. D., member
Millers' Photography L.L.C.
3809 Alabama Street
Bellingham, WA 98226
360 739 2826
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> 1. Re: Do I need to upgrade to i1Profiler? (Tyler Boley)
> 2. Re: Do I need to upgrade to i1Profiler? (Andrew Rodney)
> 3. Re: Colorsync-users Digest, Vol 8, Issue 71 (Graeme Gill)
> 4. Re: Printer Calibration (Mike Strickler)
> 5. Re: Do I need to upgrade to i1Profiler? (Steve Miller)
> 6. RE: Do I need to upgrade to i1Profiler? (Roger Breton)
> 7. Re: Do I need to upgrade to i1Profiler? (Andrew Rodney)
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> From: Tyler Boley <email@hidden>
> Date: April 7, 2011 5:12:00 PM PDT
> To: email@hidden
> Subject: Re: Do I need to upgrade to i1Profiler?
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> Ethan Hansen wrote:
>> ...Omitting... ...the ability to manually specify K-Gen curves...
> oh say it ain't so...
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> From: Andrew Rodney <email@hidden>
> Date: April 7, 2011 5:15:21 PM PDT
> To: Tyler Boley <email@hidden>
> Cc: email@hidden
> Subject: Re: Do I need to upgrade to i1Profiler?
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> On Apr 7, 2011, at 6:12 PM, Tyler Boley wrote:
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>> oh say it ain't so...
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> Afraid so (and one of my beef’s in my review):
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> “Another disappointment for those making CMYK profiles is the lack of custom black curve editing as can be adjusted in PROFILER. This is an advanced, but necessary, feature that users such as myself require when building CMYK profiles for certain types of presses“.
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> From: Graeme Gill <email@hidden>
> Date: April 7, 2011 7:00:41 PM PDT
> To: ColorSync <email@hidden>
> Subject: Re: Colorsync-users Digest, Vol 8, Issue 71
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> Mike Strickler wrote:
>> Relinearization could be considered a calibration, as the intent is to return the
>> printer output to some earlier state before ink output changes, and it does change the
>> end points, at least in XF (see actual product or ask me for a screen shot).
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> Sorry, it's not clear from your description whether this sort of re-linearization
> is in fact a calibration. Without knowing the technical details of what it
> does (ie. eye-balling the source code), or doing some careful measurements,
> it is hard to know for sure.
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>> Whether it
>> works well enough is another story. As I've said repeatedly, it is useful in production
>> environments more than in proofing. I find that it works best at correcting bigger
>> swings in printer output than one usually encounters in a current proof printer like
>> the -800 or -900-seres Epsons. If the initial optimized state was very good, the relin
>> will tend to make things worse. How's that for a sales pitch?
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> It's poor. Our experience with the calibration system I wrote for Colorbus was
> a lot more positive than that, even when applied to much more difficult
> situations such as calibrating a color copier using its scanner (and yes,
> these were used for moderately high quality proofing).
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> From: Mike Strickler <email@hidden>
> Date: April 7, 2011 8:21:41 PM PDT
> To: Roger Breton <email@hidden>
> Cc: email@hidden
> Subject: Re: Printer Calibration
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> On Apr 7, 2011, at 4:34 PM, Roger Breton wrote:
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>> Mike,
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>>> Your comment on the time required is confusing: You say that 10 minutes
>> with XF is too much time compared with 10 minutes with
>>> GMG. I think all Germans regard a minute as the same length...
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>> I have to maintain 5 different output conditions on two printers. When I
>> suggested 10 minutes for re-profile optimization on both printers, I meant 5
>> x 10 minutes x 2 printers. That adds up to close to an hour each. But the
>> newer generation of HPs or Epson probably don't need re-profile optimization
>> that often. That's a point well taken.
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> These are not HP5500s--very stable. As I say, initiate your favorite recal procedure in down time or at shift's end. Another point I should have made (I can't think of everything) is that with the optimization procedure I tend to use similar output conditions really can use the same ".3cc" correction file. Because it is a LUT it just nudges values in a certain direction. Often many of the different output conditions vary mainly by paper color, so the drift has the same effect and the correction is nearly the same. Maybe you can use the same .cc file in two or three simulations--on the same printer, of course. I do this a lot, and it saves heaps of time.
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>>> I would counsel you, and Scott Martin, not to use words like "trickery" or
>> "BS" so carelessly.
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>> Those are words I rarely use, if ever, on any forum, Mike.
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> Of course I'm aware of that.
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>>> If we must compare products let's do it with facts, not guesses, and
>> always in view of realistic needs of the actual users of these
>>> products.
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>> If I was forced to use XF, I'm sure I'd managed to get the job done, as I've
>> done using the previous versions, since 2.5.
>> Given the choice, if it was my money, I know what I would do.
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> That's why there are different products.
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>>> This entire discussion must be kept within the bounds of reality set by
>> the original context: Epson 4900s using inline Spectroproofers,
>>> whose interinstrument disagreement may be greater than 1dE76. In that
>> context, as Todd Shirley correctly said, worrying about small
>>> fractions of a dE between printers is inappropriate and the whole
>> discussion is of dubious usefulness.
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>> My initial point was usability. But I'll stop belabouring the point. XF
>> comes with a "philosophy" of operation of its own I'd probably need to
>> relearn. I probably never learned this the right way to begin with.
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> It certainly has its own "style" and logic. I don't like everything about it, but it's a matter of tradeoffs, as always.
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> From: Steve Miller <email@hidden>
> Date: April 8, 2011 6:19:10 AM PDT
> To: Andrew Rodney <email@hidden>, "'colorsync-users?lists.apple.com' List" <email@hidden>
> Subject: Re: Do I need to upgrade to i1Profiler?
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> Monaco Profiler allows the user to load several cgats files and average them to create a profile. Does i1Profiler allows this same feature?
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> On 4/7/11 6:35 PM, "Andrew Rodney" <email@hidden> wrote:
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> On Apr 7, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Terence Wyse wrote:
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>> Measure Tool, probably not....but they just updated ColorPort to v2.0 so I see ColorPort being the measurement utility of choice for the foreseeable future.
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> Right, unfortunately MeasureTool is not going to run under 10.7, CP will (its native). Its a shame however because some useful functionality like averaging and data analysis will be lost without the use of MT.
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> From: Roger Breton <email@hidden>
> Date: April 8, 2011 6:39:52 AM PDT
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> Not that I have seen.
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> Subject: Re: Do I need to upgrade to i1Profiler?
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> Monaco Profiler allows the user to load several cgats files and average them
> to create a profile. Does i1Profiler allows this same feature?
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> On 4/7/11 6:35 PM, "Andrew Rodney" <email@hidden> wrote:
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> On Apr 7, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Terence Wyse wrote:
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>> Measure Tool, probably not....but they just updated ColorPort to v2.0 so I
> see ColorPort being the measurement utility of choice for the foreseeable
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> Right, unfortunately MeasureTool is not going to run under 10.7, CP will
> (its native). Its a shame however because some useful functionality like
> averaging and data analysis will be lost without the use of MT.
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> From: Andrew Rodney <email@hidden>
> Date: April 8, 2011 6:48:40 AM PDT
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> On Apr 8, 2011, at 7:19 AM, Steve Miller wrote:
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>> Monaco Profiler allows the user to load several cgats files and average them to create a profile. Does i1Profiler allows this same feature?
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> MeasureTool allows this (with two differing algorithms for averaging). Yes, i1 does provide this using drag and drop of its measurement Assets, no options over how the averaging is conducted (it uses Simple from what I was told). Its kind of a pain and doesn’t work anywhere as easily or intuitively as MT. Not sure if its a bug or planned, but I can’t D&D CGATs data from the finder into the Measurement button to do this, but I can with Assets. It appears only one CGATS is loaded, not sure. The UI gives NO indication even when you use Assets that you have X number of documents loaded after the fact (you do see a number as you D&D, much like moving multiple emails in Apple Mail.
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